The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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BBC news 3 more Dudley Labour councillors have resigned and will sit as independents over the welfare cuts
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Two more from disability news
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Does anyone know what's happening to old CB ESA? I'm in the support group. With all the announcements this week I'm left very confused about reassessments and / or mergers!
I heard that old style CB ESA would move to New Style ESA but that only last 12 months then onto UC.
Really hoping someone can explain this clearly as I'm so so confused and worried.
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are those questions different to the old firm then ? I thought it was same form and questions but you needed the 4
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When Dad died, his inquest is still in limbo going on 3 years now
We let the local housing benefit people know within 2 days.
the last thing we needed was hassle from them as the family setup is complex owing
to this condition being Genetic my younger brother has it also,
The "hub" where these people are based, when told my Dad had died and we wanted to inform them the reply from the person on the desk "so?" "and you have"
my sister was so taken aback she was walking away and the person on the desk told her
"I want the brothers bank statements and I want them tomorrow"
So the phone went and 40 mins "what's that whats that" "why you ordering so much on Amazon" "why prime" "why EE". in the end I just broke down and told her what is this all about why was she doing it she could see only 400 pounds in savings.
On taking advice all this should never have happened,
There never was a sorry and of course with the nature we lost dad who should still be alive today we were just broken. It was at that point my upset turned to anger I vowed they EVER do something like that again I will take legal action and make them wish they had never picked a fight.
There is currently a complete shambles going on with my brothers ESA/UC Migration again
we told them this is complex, Shared tenancy but for over 20 years HB has been split between me and him. I am still waiting for the invite over to UC and they already tried to make me
apply = lose the protection of the invite, They put my brother through to SEVEN different people all utterly clueless, then they revealed they are dealing with 10,000 "issues" and what normally should be 24hrs to reply will take 10 -15 days so they put an extension on his invite
they tried to make out he left it late to inform but then they saw over 2 months ago
he raised this issue and they said it would not trigger a COC for me but now it might
then "hmmmm not sure" then yes it would. The entire system is a mess.
He finally had a very nice person who informed him they have had this situation before and the truth is there is no setup for it, anything like this has to be done manually by the specialist
team. My brother is in the earlier stages of this condition but the stress part triggers
IBD like symptoms with severe bleeds, big ulcers coming out all over the skin, skin so fragile it rips and you look like you've just had an operation. they can only dampen things down with hardcore chemo infusions 9-12 hrs each,
Its gone CNS with me which they consider terminal the consultant knows already via my bloods, he called I told him and the amount of letters he's written to the DWP I swear could paper a small room. Sorry It sounds OTT the fear we have is real, these people really are either nasty, uncaring or clearly not a clue what they are doing and they are the most dangerous.
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I have deleted previous comment for now as I don't want to cause misinformation. I will read it through and do a side by side comparison. It does state on the benefits and welfare site that it is the New Test but it could be they have made a mistake.
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As a government they seem to have no plan , ideas of their own and just no idea how to run a country. I think this seems so rushed out that no one ( well I don’t ) has any real idea of what the rules will be . It all seems a bit of a mess to me x
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Hi everyoneLike everyone else the recent green paper has sent me into a state of confusion and worry.I am the recipient of the social mobility element, how I only scored four points for mixing with other people and will have an upcoming tribunal next month.The new scoring system emphasises at least four points in one category, I meet that criteria but I dont ,have the necessary 8 points for the daily living component, I take it I must convince the tribunal to award me a further 4 points under both systems to qualify for the daily living component?0 -
So kind of you loucie....I really appreciate that. Xxx
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Hi,
I lost my job last year due to a disability. I now receive PIP at the lower rate for both daily living and mobility (scored 1 and 2 points on each activity) and I also receive LCWRA on UC.
I could never do a full-time job again due to my disability but I have now returned to work part-time. I could only afford to do this because I receive LCWRA and PIP. I work 25 hours a week and it is a real struggle working with my illness but I’ve worked for over 30 years and wanted to try going back to work but it’s far from easy but had debts/mortgage to pay.As I only received 1 and 2 points per activity on PIP when the new system comes out I will lose my PIP payment and as this assessment will also be for LCWRA I will lose this payment also. I will not be able to continue working part-time as I couldn’t afford to live on my wages alone and unable to work full-time so will have no choice but to leave my job. I couldn’t afford to get to work and for support when working so I would probably be on the same money out of work and on UC.
The changes are being made to get more people back to work but for me it will mean that I will need to leave work.2 -
As it stands the current system is still in place.
To stage the current points system they will need a change in the law
so right at this moment and for a while the current system it looks around Nov 2026 it will change, but they originally said UC would take under 5 years that nearly tripled and cost billions more.
In terms of all the announcements its the green paper which will go into the committee phase and this is normally where the nightmare fuel gets watered down. Legal challenges are going to happen without question, this is blatant cost cutting not "saving people from a live of not working". Truly right now focus on the tribunal and i truly hope it goes okay for you.
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It's the same form and questions.
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Some hope from "The I" this evening:
Labour ministers could resign over benefits cuts 20th March 2025 5:15 PMRachel Reeves has been warned that ministers could still resign over her controversial benefits reforms, and that expected spending cuts at next week’s Spring Statement will only make their anger worse.
Labour tensions are growing over £5bn of welfare cuts set out this week, while the Chancellor is expected to outline further spending reductions, which her allies had to deny amounted to austerity, to balance the books in Wednesday’s statement.
A minister told The i Paper that their colleagues in Government ranks below Cabinet level were already considering quitting and that Reeves announcing a shrinking of the overall spending settlement for Whitehall departments would only make matters worse.
They said that “frontbenchers may well go over it [planned cuts to benefits]” or the “package won’t remain intact” in its current form as a rebellion brews on the back benches.
This revolt could spill over into frontbenchers quitting to vote against the benefit changes in Parliament, the minister said.
Although warnings last week of resignations over the welfare package have not been borne out, the comments suggests that ministers are not yet out of the woods on benefits cuts.
Alongside the Spring Statement next week, ministers are expected to publish impact assessments which will spell out how many people and who are affected by the decision to tighten disability benefit eligibility criteria for personal independence payments (PIP), which has already put MPs on the warpath.
There were signs of growing discontent on Thursday as Blackpool South MP Chris Webb, who was elected for the first time last year and is not seen as a trouble-maker, said he had “serious concerns” about the changes to PIP and would rebel over them when they come to the Commons for a vote.
“These cuts could see between 800,000 and 1.2 million people lose between £4,000 and £6,000 a year – a devastating blow for many of my constituents who are already on the edge,” he said.
“Taking support away from those who need it most will push more people into poverty and deepen the already harsh realities faced by disabled people in Blackpool.
“When you elected me as your MP, I made a promise: I will never vote for anything that makes people in Blackpool poorer – and some of these reforms could do exactly that.”
Webb said that “instead of targeting the most vulnerable, the Government should be looking at fairer alternatives” such as a “modest” 2 per cent tax on wealth over £10m that he said would affect just the richest 0.04 per cent of the population and raise £22bn.
“This is the kind of reform we need – one that protects the vulnerable instead of punishing them.”
Referring to a meeting with Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall on Wednesday which some attendees described as “****”, Webb added: “I voiced some of my concerns to the Secretary of State yesterday and will be speaking to her at length about them soon.”
It came as Chief Secretary to Treasury Darren Jones all but confirms the Chancellor is expected to cut the overall spending “envelope”, or allocations, for Whitehall, saying “budgets will be going down in terms of the annual rate of growth”.
But Jones said it was “incorrect” to label this austerity as it will be accompanied by modernising reforms that will make public services cheaper to deliver, including new plans to harness AI to enable better monitoring of departments’ spending announced on Thursday.
The mooted cuts are already beginning to provoke anger on the Labour left, with MP Ian Byrne tweeting: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. #AusteritylsAPoliticalChoice”.
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thank you . I read it on the site earlier and it did make it out to be different. At least that’s how it seemed to me .
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They will take into consideration your partner's earnings. The Government will hopefully in the coming days/weeks give more clarification on everything. This is what the Government would like to do and it's a Green Paper. You can also give your response to the Green Paper. I think it's important to do that if you can.
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It was the English scientist Francis Galton who, fascinated by his uncle Charles Darwin’s
On the Origin of the Species
asked: “Could not the race of men be similarly improved? Could not the undesirables be got rid of and the desirables multiplied?”
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BUT isn't it the case though I am severely disabled they'll change WCA..move it over to PIP and reassess anyway..with changed criteria?
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they haven’t said that they are going to review everyone on pip. I think they said after Nov 26, when people on pip are reviewed, they will need to scote 4 for one of the questions in the daily living section to qualify for it.
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@luvpink You are 100% correct. I totally agree 👍
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