The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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It was the English scientist Francis Galton who, fascinated by his uncle Charles Darwin’s
On the Origin of the Species
asked: “Could not the race of men be similarly improved? Could not the undesirables be got rid of and the desirables multiplied?”
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BUT isn't it the case though I am severely disabled they'll change WCA..move it over to PIP and reassess anyway..with changed criteria?
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they haven’t said that they are going to review everyone on pip. I think they said after Nov 26, when people on pip are reviewed, they will need to scote 4 for one of the questions in the daily living section to qualify for it.
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@luvpink You are 100% correct. I totally agree 👍
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The government is “consulting on delaying access to the health element of Universal Credit until someone is aged 22 and reinvesting savings into work support and training opportunities through the Youth Guarantee.”
I do not see it as ethically correct to deny or delay access to financial support. What happens to a child transitioning into adulthood with a long-term disability? Do they starve until they turn 22? I truly fail to understand what the government is trying to save here.
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Nice one @Summerlove
In the 5 minutes I watched the video and read the comments, the key theme from this great presentation is that “EVEN LOYAL LABOUR MEMBERS HAVE SAID THAT THEY WOULD NEVER EVER VOTE FOR LABOUR AGAIN.”
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thanks @Summerlove useful videos to promote wider awareness. I am a novice in terms of political debates, so very helpful 👍
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To be honest .... I get CBESA or new style ESA im not not sure which one .… and LCWRA
The way I look at it nothing really changes for me until the wca gets scrapped in 2028 and pip takes over ....
The last reassessment I had was from November 2019 .... So I'm over 5 years since having one and and nearly 3 and a half years overdue
I voulentarlly moved over to UC in mid 2022 , I automatically qualified for lcwra group as I was already in surport group , so technically I've never been assessed for LCWRA .... But apparently the uc50 is identical to the esa50 so 🤷
I'm going to concentrate on that when it finally comes around and hopefully stay in lcwra and when pip takes over I'll worry about it then ....
I can't worry no more , it's making me ill
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It’s very badly written in the green paper, so we are unsure.
There’s a possibility that anyone with ESA contribution based, if that proposal goes ahead, will lose their entitlement eventually. As well as any NI contributions for their future pension.
So if you are on ESA contributions based I would reply to their green paper pointing that out.
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What about a 20 year old mother who has just given birth and has post partum psychoses.. or a young person who has been severely injured in an industrial accident.. the list goes on and on. How can they withdraw disability. Who even suggested that crock in the first place?
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They can't take away the ni contributions you already have from cbesa though can they ?
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the NI contributions you have earned through the years whilst in CBESA can’t be touched.
The moment CBESA stops your NI contributions towards your pension will stop and you will have to pay those contributions through either work or your own pocket
That’s my understanding
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Just another kick in the goolies from these vile people
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I think it's likely there will be some conditions that will automatically qualify e.g 'progressive' and 'terminal'.
Having several health issues myself, I have found (through being on targeted FB support Groups) that not everyone with 'a specific condition' suffers in the same way. If someone is suffering with just the one condition, they're still suffering but, maybe not as much as someone else who has additional conditions - that aggravate or have a knock on effect.
I'd like to think that they will now look more at the 'overall" impact of how people's ability is affected by their condition(s). But.....in order to do this 'competently' the DWP Assessors need to be more medically qualified (a lot are not) and have a better knowledge of the criteria: Musculoskeletal, Cardiology, Neurological, Vestibular(hardly ever mentioned but also extremely debilitating) etc.
In my case I have 3 Vestibular issues. This impacts on my ability to function 'normally' on a day to day basis. I also have Musculoskeletal issues which, without the Vestibular issues, I could probably function/cope much easier.
I can only 'hope' that a better understanding is implemented for future claimants.
We can only wait to find out more - and take each day as it comes. Personally, I find worrying about is makes my conditions far worse, so I definitely practice mindful thinking. Not easy, but at the end of the day I have to focus on keeping myself as stable as possible (both mentally and physically) so as not to end up on a gurney in a hospital corridor😫🤮
That said: I have managed to submit
my 'health story' to my MP in the hope it will 'trigger' some element of 'understanding' but heard nothing back 🤔.....
I wish you all the very best going forward.
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I wrote to my MP (newly elected Labour) on Tuesday asking how he intended to vote. I have not even received an acknowledgement. They are sh***ing themselves I think. If/when I do receive a response, I will be posting it on every local FB page I can find, so that people know whether he supports the plan or not. That way he will be held accountable by constituents.
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Unfortunately, the UK has a serious shortage of doctors right now. I don't see how they could do this.
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Maybe they been indated with requests we should all do to dwp ask for sars information hold them back more
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WWho qualify for light touch
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Thankyou have you people to talk to any support pls pls this is a shock to our systems amd the way they done this is very inhumane like you said let's see how it all pans outs and prey and hope for the best even if the government doesn't value us you are important we all are day by day
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Do you need 4 points on you pip now does that help ?
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