The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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You're right in saying that the situation facing the over 60's isn't given enough consideration. At 60 plus so many of us are getting beyond the world of work. It is much more of a challenge both physically and mentally to cope in the workplace and if you are disabled it may be the case that unless you can arrange to have lighter duties or to work part time, it is much more likely, at this age to damage your health more severely than when you were younger.
The majority of employers, don't want to make these adjustments and want to replace you with someone younger. Sadly, many more people are disabled and completely unable to work at 60 onwards too, like myself.
We are now a substantial proportion of the rising numbers of working age disability claiments. No government will acknowledge this as it was their choice to put us in this position. It's probably one of the many reasons they're being so hard on us, so they can blame us for another failed policy.
I was some years into my working life, as a women before I discovered that I would no longer retire at 60 but at 67. I have already been disabled for 21 years with ME/CFS, anxiety, depression and non epileptic seizures. I worked in manufacturing before this, I was in one job for 15 years. The employers I had, all of them, treated everyone badly, including me. I know it was a large part of why I became disabled in the way I did.
I have nearly seven years yet to State Pension age, surviving, with the long standing and worsening situation, with successive governments being completely unable to work. I do my best but it's a terrible strain, wondering if my partner (also disabled but pension age) and I will be able to manage until then.
I don't want to wish my life away but the best thing about pension age will actually be, being (mostly) left alone by the government. It's even more important than the situation with the money.
My heart goes out to everyone on this forum who is going through their own personal problems bought about by past and proposed government policy, whatever they are. We deserve so much better than this. 😢
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Thank you so much,
Tbh we died that day, We are a tiny family everyone else is gone.
We get by but knowing Dad should still be alive today he really did have a solution for everything and nothing phased him at all. Totally the watchdogs for health are utterly useless.
The Coroner has been terrible I begged them NOT to send me emails anymore as it was always bad news, I was on hour 8 of the Chemotherapy email arrived "Hello its ** from Coroners office just to let you know the Police will be taking written statements from members of staff on duty" it was written so matter of fact.
I got so upset my stats started to go haywire and they stopped the infusion I showed the day care unit staff the email and they were stunned something like that was even sent in an email.
This past week the worry has 100% made me worst, this is what Labour are not understanding at least with the Tories they boasted about welfare cuts.
this is the speech Blair gave. He 100% mentioned welfare reform but timestamped the comments on civil service reduction for AI. This was 8 months ago the GE was 8 months ago
He's running the show
https://youtu.be/xey-jt0sQ6k?t=500
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I’m sorry your Dad died like that, my parents have both passed and you just want it to be peaceful and as easy as possible? I understand your fight for that.
Yes I noticed the AI comments were coming thick and fast… the systems are not even up and running yet? There’s no AI in place to cope with shortfall of civil servants!
It’s like a group of people are sitting in a cabal coming up with imaginary solutions whilst the reality is completely different. That group of people is Pat McFadden/ Morgan Mc Sweeny and possibly Mandelson. The former two were Mandelson’s ‘creatures’ in previous administrations. So it’s like.. ‘let’s get all the disabled off benefits and working’… we’ll steal votes back from Reform by being tough?’ Without ever facing the reality that there are NO JOBS available en masse for sick folk.
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Again thank you so much,
When Dad was alive he actually voted for Starmer and Rayner, but within weeks he said
"this guy is not the right person, he lied to get the job" He then hoped Rayner being known for standing her ground would make sure he kept to his word.
I found the other interview he gave, nothing about the policies yet now all these welfare cuts are something he Truly believes in.
Pat Mc Fadden said he actually stated "Sue Gray is not going anywhere" and we know what happened there. Taking those difficult decisions means sharing with people what they are before they trust you, this is something Starmer just cant grasp.
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There's a definite pattern emerging, isn't there.
Winter fuel payment.
Two-child cap.
Disability benefits.
They seem to hate anyone who is not able to service their/their chums' (or in the case of Kendall her partner's) greed.
Won't be long until they are actually referring to us as 'useless eaters' in public - I suspect they already do so in private.
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@jul1aorways "I don't want to wish my life away but the best thing about pension age will actually be, being (mostly) left alone by the government. It's even more important than the situation with the money."
This is exactly how I feel. Like you I have had another 7 years added to my pension age. I'm now 64 with long-term and additional health issues, although I have just started down the WCA journey. After nearly 50 years working seeing that retirement age approaching is so important to our mental and physical health. Extending the goal (or that should be jail) posts is cruelty on top of everything else we have to endure. At this stage we just want to be left alone.
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@A_Z1961 , Thank you, and I’m sorry to hear about your situation. You raise an important point about the challenges of accessing the benefits system and the rising state pension age, which leave many over 60 with no choice but to remain in employment despite health issues. Some of the issues was even highlighted in a recent Centre for Aging Better blog: “ The UK is headed in the wrong direction for older workers with ill-health”
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@Summerlove she's a shape-shifter. Here she is claiming to be the anti-austerity candidate
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It’s driving me mad how every time one of these horrible frontbenchers is asked about the harm this is going to do, even when the question doesn’t relate whatsoever to work, they only have one response…
”Work will set you free!”
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Whoops, posted too soon.
On another track, I've seen the new PIP test (on the B&W site).
It's been bugging me but I couldn't work out why (brain fog due to off-the-scale anxiety).
I've realised the test/points in and of themselves don't amount to a hill of beans.
The real issue is the rulebook issued to assessors in terms of how to allocate points.
I'd imagine that is being (or has been) rewritten to disqualify even more applicants.
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Do you mean she saw your bank statements? Where does it say they can do that?
Did they explain why?
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But we don’t yet know when they will start this or whether it will be for new claimants only or if some may stay in the CB Support Group old style ESA, or if it will be dependent on age etc. When there are changes like this there’s usually some protections for those who have been in receipt of its predecessor (I know there’s no guarantee they’ll do that this time) like the migration from Incapacity Benefit to the old ESA.
Despite the fact there’s a New style ESA I haven’t been asked to migrate onto it. So I think we need to wait and see, but I agree with others that this aspect has hardly warranted much discussion and they might be hoping to get it in under the radar with all the hype about PIP changes.Of course the other thing Kendall didn’t mention is the fact they’ll also save a lot on Carers Allowance if they are planning to decrease the numbers qualifying for PIP care component. If you lose PIP care component you’ll also presumably lose CA.
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I agree some employees do not comply with the rulebook.
My point was, I suppose, issues/restraints that currently exist and lead to successful MRs/tribunals may no longer exist when the rulebook for employees is rewritten.
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I am so very sorry for the traumatic loss of your dad, that's shocking and utterly heartbreaking. Lost my dad 25 years ago today, it all comes back to me like it was yesterday, often does. Take care of yourself and sending 🫂.
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I'm not sure hyperbole helps anyone. Do they care more for the biggest voting blocks? Of course; but to imply it's personal is just nonsense, quite frankly.
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If and when the changes come in, for those of us on UC and LCWRA, if the LCWRA gets stopped in Nov 28, doesn't that mean our UC increases by that amount (ie my UC was something like 900 but got 416 deducted off it as LCWRA is paid separately.
I don't know if this makes sense, it does to me but might not be explaining it well.
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The awful thing is Catherine, I voted Labour all my life, all my family did because of our roots, our history. Now I will never vote for them again and that is so sad. I am getting an email together explaining who my Grandad was and what he stood for and send it to my MP, I doubt it will have any effect but maybe it might give her just a tiny twinge of guilt, wont hold my breath though 😊
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