Spring Statement Discussion (link to documents here)
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that’s correct
yes, the freezing of the health element on UC
I don’t know, but if conditioned hasn’t change I guess you’ll get the same award. I can’t tell cause I don’t know the future but the probability is high for the award to stay the same.1 -
I'm half expecting a rise in the points needed for Enhanced PIP - To reduce the number of claimants at a higher level….I wouldn't put it past labour to do that….
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I'm beyond worried...which is exacerbating my conditions massively.
I decided to email my local MP to request she oppose this disasterous and deadly decision to go after disabled people in this manner ...however..after checking her 'stance' on the proposed benefit cuts...she is in favour of them...therefore there is no point in emailing to request her support...as it clearly won't be given!
They have got all of their figures wrong in any case!...the OBR have disputed that the disability cuts labour propose...will make the savings that labour claim!
Labour want to get people back into work who are in receipt of PIP...do labour not realise that many people who are currently in receipt if PIP are actually already WORKING!...(which is permitted)! ...so are they just assuming that every person who is in receipt of PIP is not working!!... are they basing their figures on this?....
Labour have targeted Disability Benefits… NOT with the purppse of getting people back into employment...as many are already in employment who are able to work with the aid of PIP....
It is purely a money saving exercise...in which they haven't even got the correct figures to work from themselves (re OBR information)…if you base decisions on the wrong information...which is not fact or a true account...then it stands to reason...the wrong decision will be made.
The 4 points on any 1 task is a totally inappropriate marker for someone being able to qualify for PIP....and if they don't score 4 points...then they are deemed fit to work is just madness!...Just because someone can wipe their own backside/ lift a spoon to their mouth to feed themselves/wash the upper part of their body does NOT directly correlate to them being able to hold down a job repeatedly for a number of set hours every day...therefore it can and should NOT be used as a direct comparisson as it is is anything 'but' . It is as ludicrous as saying if someone can swim 10 meters...then they are capable of swimming The Channel!!!!
....yes...you can possibly swim in the general term...but just because you can 'swim' does not mean you are able to swim huge distances…over an alotted timescale every day!!!.....however this seems to be the stance Labour have taken......in their proposed future assessments to ascertain if people will quality for PIP!
The changes Labour are proposing for the future ...make it necessary for a claimant of PIP to have an actual Carer...before they would be eligible to qualify...under the 4 point rule.
Personal Independent Payment is indeed that....the clue is in the title!....Personal Independence!....it helps people live as independent life as possible...by enabling them to be as INDEPENDENT as possible.....with the help of aids and adaptations....not by taking away what little self respect and privacy they have.... by forcing them to go down the care route in order to qualify. This is a huge step backwards... people will feel useless....having what little independence and privacy taken away along with still having to cope with their disabiility...resulting in more mental health problems... all of this will only result in increased costs and strain put onto an already failing NHS and Care System.....Disability cuts are DEFINITELY NOT the answer Chancellor...and will only exacerbate the NHS and care services ten fold....so be careful what you wish for....because cutting disability benefits will NOT save the economy....it will be the catalyst that plunges it further into debt.…as well as causing needless deaths as people stuggle to live without any support....until they can struggle no more. This labour government will have blood on their hands if they are allowed to bring these proposed cuts into effect.
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1st Major name .
As it stands Labour are likely to lose the Senedd next year
with Plaid.Lab.Reform Neck and Neck.
Labour List have 15 confirmed Labour MP's who will vote against
with another 10 likely,
Its very telling the head of comms has resigned, he's only been in the post 9 months
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No, I don't have photoshop! It just gave me something to focus on for an hour or so yesterday to try and stop feeling nauseous about what's going to happen to us 😡
Suits her though doesn't it….4 -
On UC LCWRA after migration from Income Based ESA Support Group my question is this,from what I am reading it appears that focus will be engage on a regular basis with jobcentre rather than WCA...hopefully...if this is true then we get to 2028/9. Providing we all get there without WCA what then? We are existing claimants so are we simply renamed UC Health chucked off or made to do the pip WCA
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This thread seems to have strayed from the intended topic, the Spring statement.
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That's exactly what this government want.
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Richard Burgon, labour party petition. TAX WEALTH. DONT CUT DISABILITY SUPPORT
https://chng.it/pvTC5jJKDM
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👏👏 Well said. The clue is in the title Personal "Independence" Payment.
I have a carer but still don't score four on any descriptors
I have pointed out time and time again that the previous government has gone on about their wish for people to live independently.
How devious therefore is this proposed reform. Encourage people to remain living independently…. then take away the means for them to do so.
The current "Government" (Reeves/Kendall) absolutely has a separate agenda here.2 -
Reform Party are no friend of disabled people, same with the Tories and Labour.
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In comparison to other rich nations the UK is particularly weird in its prejudice against sickness and disability claimants, almost certainly as a direct result of decades of right-wing newspaper propaganda.
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They hate the disabled because they think we are getting free money but the government has not invested in society enough so it's cheaper for them now to keep us on it. We are the victims not them. We live on the little money and get by whilst everything is getting more expensive.
They can do all the propaganda they want. When this happens, if it happens and gets passed in parliament they don't realise the amount of people that will suffer. They don't have no idea what this country will become. You think crime is bad now. Supermarkets locking up food. It will get worse.
The Labour party has done a nasty thing and everyone knows now what they are doing to the disabled. They are not ready. Now they have done this nasty thing and want us to go along with it it will not work. They have done a bad thing. It would be something I will be very happy about that before they get too happy with themselves that they pay us MORE than they want to. They will not get away with it.
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These does seem utter disgust with this looking around the media and social media threads.
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We all pay NIC one all benefits I believe .
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100%
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So starmer dressed in his high viz jacket looking like a plonker. Saying disabled people are only slightly fearful about the cuts. Is for real ,! Going on about putting money for support
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John McDonnell should join his party
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There is a very, very disturbing article in the Guardian about what is going on in the US. I am not going to link it here because it contains some very upsetting content, but in context with that we are actually better off here right now. Although I have been saying for a long time that the disparity of attitude with regard to equality, diversity etc and disability is going to wind up with more disabled people being hurt.
For example, the BBC's website hides disability away behind several clicks. It is less important than what was on Strictly or some other TV show. It is currently less important than Pep Guardiola saying Manchester City don't deserve prize money from something they haven't even competed in yet, let alone won. This is where disabled people are in the public awareness hierarchy.
The article posted from DNS earlier about that poor guy in Barnet (?) is nowhere on national news. The subject of the cuts has been shoved aside (and while I agree the earthquake etc is worthy of proper news coverage, are all news stories as existentially important as coverage of what is actually happening to disabled people?)Getting and keeping disability related stories in the media is hard, because most folk aren't interested. They're apathetic until it concerns them.
I used to post sometimes on an autism forum and the number of parents who would suddenly rock up all indignant that there was no service or support available and that they were dealing with discrimination and barriers…then as you go on they acknowledge they never even thought about it before their child was diagnosed. The lack of awareness that disability can hit anyone at any point of life is pivotal to this disinterest. :/
With regard to how points are awarded, my MR was dismissed because one of my disability support officers at university called me academically gifted. There were several further paragraphs on that same document detailing the support I had at university through her and another autism mentor from the NAS, but the MR guy stopped at 'academically gifted' and basically said that ruled out any need for support because I didn't have a learning disability.For my tribunal I wrote a footnoted, referenced statement, cited and quoted with all the errors, inaccuracies, inconsistencies between different versions of the DWP's case for rejection, and I cited this individual (whose name I have not forgotten even after eight years), asking whether if I used a wheelchair, or needed a guide dog, the MR would have decided I didn't need them because I was capable of study? I was never going to claim PIP on false grounds, I wanted them to know I was academically capable, intelligent and STILL AUTISTIC, and no matter how many essays I wrote, it wasn't going to heal my executive dysfunction issues. The strategy worked, but the ignorance still grates at me. It was only too clear that I was put through an appeal because the DWP think autism is a learning disability, when of course it isn't.
The false numbers are another aspect. The numbers that really irk me the most are the ones that say "PIP will rise to x in x year", based on what grounds? What do they think is going to happen to double disability claim cases? Most of those people aren't born yet? Some of the people will no longer be there to claim in the future, whether through age, or, sadly, through the health conditions they require the support for. This isn't calculating inflation, it's calculating disability. WHY would we assume disability benefits would double again in the future? Even given potential inflation, it doesn't make sense. The only reason I can see (unless the figures are just meant to scaremonger) is that the government have no intention of improving living conditions and in fact expect them to get worse, forcing more people into poverty, creating barriers to treatment and ultimately causing a disability crisis far worse than even COVID managed to spark.
Papers keep reporting these figures without questioning why or how they came about. I want to know those things. Why do they think we will be more disabled in the future?4
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