4 points explained

From november 2026, IF these new labour proposals go through, pip claimants will need 4 points on at least one decriptor to get any pip at all.

At the moment, you can get awarded if you score 2 points on a few descriptors and they add up to 8 or more.

To see where you were awarded points, you need to contact pip for a copy of the assessor's sheet.

looking at in a logical way you will need a 4 pointer to get the higher award i would imagine if it is made up of lower scores you would get the lower award hence saving money but not removing it completely

I think the idea is that those with "milder" disabilities (and milder is their term) should be able to work with support.

Whereas the claimants who have scored 4 on at least one descriptor have at least one area that they are totally dependent on another person for and therefore might be precluded from work.

But i do agree it is ludicrous as it completely fails to take into account a person's needs in a holistic way. If you have multiple "little" difficulties that affect you in a big way, hard lines under this proposed new system.

Isn't the UC50 a bit like this just now though?

Correct. As far as i understand, it you don't score 4 points on any of the descriptors, you would not get LCWRA.

So you would not get the extra payment.

I expect LCW will still be there so you could do preparing for work courses but then how do you pay your bills?

As to where these jobs are coming from i really do not know. This is such a badly thought out idea. They have got nothing in place.

I just cannot see this happening so please don't dwell on it too much. My best guess is that disabled people currently scoring multiple 2s will be helped to fill out their forms to get the 4s.

A few people might get into work with these changes but i think the main cost savings will come from young people not getting started on benefits for mental health .

This is just my guess though.

And lazylump you are absolutely right on where the jobs are coming from. A friend's partner who is able bodied cannot get a job after 1000 applications so how do the government expect chronically ill and disabled people to get work??

Not true. My son scored 4 in a few descriptors. Socialising was one of them. He has no physical disability at all but he has autism with a learning disability.

He is not an invalid. He can talk but his socialising is all done at his support group. He needs the group to be able to socialise. The group is comprised of people similar to him plus support workers.

He has no points in feeding as he feeds himself but i think preparing a meal was another 4 point scorer. I put on the form that he can independently make a pack of supernoodles on the stove and he can also fry an egg himself. He still scored 4 on the basis these took a long time to teach and he does not generalise his knowledge.

I do agree that jobs are hard to come by @LazyLump - i have a son that graduated last june with a 1st class honours degree in software engineering. He has just been made team leader at Greggs! At least he's in employment but nothing at entry level for software engineers just now.

The UK is currently 2.8 trillion pounds in debt. (£2,800,000,000,000)

The government do need to make difficult choices to get that debt down.

@OverlyAnxious , I get that and thanks for the numeral depiction.
are you implying the benefit cuts are justified? Given that many people’s lives are @ stake by the current proposals ?