4 points explained
can someone please explain the 4 points please. I’m confused and can’t read the papers. I’m getting snippets from different discussions but its not making any sense.
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From november 2026, IF these new labour proposals go through, pip claimants will need 4 points on at least one decriptor to get any pip at all.
At the moment, you can get awarded if you score 2 points on a few descriptors and they add up to 8 or more.
To see where you were awarded points, you need to contact pip for a copy of the assessor's sheet.
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so even if your total amount is 8points you wont qualify if you dont have a 4 point score on either say help to get dressed for example?
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looking at in a logical way you will need a 4 pointer to get the higher award i would imagine if it is made up of lower scores you would get the lower award hence saving money but not removing it completely
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Yes, that's correct.
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No, that's not correct. You won't get any award at all if you don't score 4 points in at least one descriptor. That is the reason they're doing it, to remove awards from people who they deem to have 'less severe' conditions.
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mi
this has confused me further
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That is ludicrous
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i stand corrected then i have broad shoulders 😪
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Taken from the benefits and work website this is how the new point system will work.
Under the proposed new test the mobility component remains exactly the same.
However, for the daily living component, whilst you must still score:
- 8 points for standard rate
- 12 points for enhanced rate
at least one of the descriptors you select must score 4 points or more.
So, if you select 4 descriptors scoring two points each, that will be 8 points but it will not qualify for an award.
But if you select one descriptor scoring 4 points and two descriptors scoring 2 points, that will be 8 points and you will qualify for an award.
The changes, if they ever happen, will not apply before November 2026.
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I think the idea is that those with "milder" disabilities (and milder is their term) should be able to work with support.
Whereas the claimants who have scored 4 on at least one descriptor have at least one area that they are totally dependent on another person for and therefore might be precluded from work.
But i do agree it is ludicrous as it completely fails to take into account a person's needs in a holistic way. If you have multiple "little" difficulties that affect you in a big way, hard lines under this proposed new system.
Isn't the UC50 a bit like this just now though?
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im still so confused - just say i dont qualify for PIP then what? Will i be put on normal UC to look for work. Theres no way i could hold down a job. Then where are all these jobs coming from. Finaly ill be at the bottom of the list. This is so worrying. Throw us to the wolves thats what they are doing. It makes no scense whats so ever
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Correct. As far as i understand, it you don't score 4 points on any of the descriptors, you would not get LCWRA.
So you would not get the extra payment.
I expect LCW will still be there so you could do preparing for work courses but then how do you pay your bills?
As to where these jobs are coming from i really do not know. This is such a badly thought out idea. They have got nothing in place.
I just cannot see this happening so please don't dwell on it too much. My best guess is that disabled people currently scoring multiple 2s will be helped to fill out their forms to get the 4s.
A few people might get into work with these changes but i think the main cost savings will come from young people not getting started on benefits for mental health .
This is just my guess though.
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With what I've seen to get 4 points on one of the areas (e.g talking to people, eating) you have to be so bad that you cannot communicate at all or need to be spoon fed. Basically a complete invalid. I personally don't feel this is an accurate assessment or understanding of people's disabilities as just because someone can feed themselves or construct a sentence doesn't mean they are well enough to go to work.
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And lazylump you are absolutely right on where the jobs are coming from. A friend's partner who is able bodied cannot get a job after 1000 applications so how do the government expect chronically ill and disabled people to get work??
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My Son who is currently studying at University - (young and itelligent) is struggling to find work so ive got no hope in hells chance.
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Not true. My son scored 4 in a few descriptors. Socialising was one of them. He has no physical disability at all but he has autism with a learning disability.
He is not an invalid. He can talk but his socialising is all done at his support group. He needs the group to be able to socialise. The group is comprised of people similar to him plus support workers.
He has no points in feeding as he feeds himself but i think preparing a meal was another 4 point scorer. I put on the form that he can independently make a pack of supernoodles on the stove and he can also fry an egg himself. He still scored 4 on the basis these took a long time to teach and he does not generalise his knowledge.
I do agree that jobs are hard to come by @LazyLump - i have a son that graduated last june with a 1st class honours degree in software engineering. He has just been made team leader at Greggs! At least he's in employment but nothing at entry level for software engineers just now.
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Sorry to hear about your son's struggle to find relevant work as befits his education.
My sibling got the slghtly lesser 2:1 in Software Engineering in the late 1990s.
His first job, straight out of university, was in Taiwan, followed by Silicon Valley, then London, where he works to this day. I won't mention renumeration, as I find it an immoral amount.
I argued many times about being in the right place at the right time, usually when he was sounding off, boasting if you like.
I told him that yes, he has a good degree, whereas I have only the basics from high school, but he rode the coat-tails of the "dot com" boom. His opportunities weren't exclusively down to his abilities. I said that equally or superior graduates nowadays, will never reach the heights he did, but only due to a date on the calendar.
For what it's worth, I wish I were a mere Gregg's minion, never mind a team leader!
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This is exactly what I understand as well @OverlyAnxious .
Are the government planning to build a rocket or spaceship (SARCASM 🙄), stealing from this money by making many people ineligible …..Money that’s reserved to uphold financial rights of the physically and mentally vulnerable and disabled people?
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The UK is currently 2.8 trillion pounds in debt. (£2,800,000,000,000)
The government do need to make difficult choices to get that debt down.
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The Job Centre Website shows just 21 “disabled confident” job vacancies in my town (55,000 inhabitants) – including many “warehouse” and “shop assistant” jobs which I obviously could not do due to my various disabilities – there are perhaps 2 jobs that I could physically do…..
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