I asked if starmer was breaking the law got this response

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    And section 27 I've just emailed ECHR how are you feeling this is so much work your doing thankyou I'm emailing all labour mps don't care if I'm out of there area been really digging deep if it's so easy to do as a money bill blows my mind that tories didn't do it I won't stop now my mp response and all I read was treating people with dignity well I responded about the inhumane treatment we have faced for years and alot more to be patronising is the worst thankyou for encouragement felt so flat after this response

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    Sorry it is disheartening what to do is it time to accept it seems he's covered everything

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 628 Championing

    Thanks so much for your kind words, @Catherine21.

    This hasn’t been a quick process-it’s taken me months to get to this point. What I’ve shared is just a framework we can use in our email responses, so the government hears exactly why we oppose this process. I became really unwell while working through it all, but I knew how important it was to all of us.

    I do have more information, though it includes a lot of personal detail I’d need to redact-but at least now, everyone has a starting point to build from. And the most powerful part? Our personal stories. That’s what truly matters. They need to hear us-our lived experiences, our truths, and the catastrophic consequences these proposals would unleash if they’re allowed to go ahead….

    Please don’t lose hope—we are making good progress. Let’s keep up the momentum and stand strong together. Our voices matter, and together, we are powerful. Let’s continue to lift one another up and make sure our voices reach exactly where they’re supposed to.Please look after yourself 🤗

    Disabled voices matter. We will not be silenced.
    In solidarity ✊

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    38 degrees are asking for people's stories just did that do you know if this can be challenged I've also emailed the public law project and disability uk some baroness angela rayner few labour mps even though I'm not in there area had an appointment booked with solicitors for 15 minutes they messaged back saying they don't deal with this so going to find other human rights solicitors to ask what chance we have just need to know going on since sunak

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,755 Championing
    edited April 18

    Hi Catherine and bravo!

    This needs a solicitor with a Public Law Contract as Legal Aid for welfare rights was withdrawn from 1 April 2013 just when major changes to working-age benefits were introduced.

    My belief is that the Equality Impact Assessment attached to the Welfare Reform Act 2012 is predicated on the 2011 ESA amended regulations which came into force on 28th March 2011 but were corrupted with the insertion of a "correction slip" in June of that year. All subsequent welfare reform (deform) including current proposals stems from that skulduggery.

    • 2011 No. 228 SOCIAL SECURITY The Employment and Support Allowance (Limited Capability for Work and Limited Capability for Work-Related Activity)(Amendment) Regulations 2011 ISBN 978-0-11-150693-6 CORRECTION Page 2, regulation 2(1)(c)(i), lines two and three: “… limited capability for work-related activity;” should read “…limited capability for work;” .June 2011
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    I've emailed few solicitors had an appointment but later said didn't have a lawyer to cover this so emailed three more maybe hear after Easter trying to understand what he's putting through primary legislation or secondary legislation? Or money bill ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    So what can we do is this the end of the road

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    And need to focus on statutory authority exemption is all of this can be challenged

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 628 Championing

    @Catherine12

    “Do you know if this can be challenged?”

    Sorry, I don’t know much more than what I already mentioned on page 1  of this thread you started.
    I understand you’ve now booked a slot with Public Law-that’s great. Hopefully, they can offer you some reassurance.

    As I’ve said several times,I truly believe in people power and in using every possible means to get our voices heard, so please, let’s not lose hope.

    Regarding sharing personal stories-I’ll also check the 38 Degrees page. I’m currently on the BBC waiting list to share my own story.

    Bless you! Please take care of yourself, Catherine. Your health and wellbeing are so important. Don’t let that slip because of this heartless government.🤗

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    OOh Wow bbc I couldn't I hate being on videos camera if we. Knew what law he was using to change this if it is primary legislation would be hard but if could prove it's breaching human right could go to secondary legislation but this is my own take onit I could have completely wrong tbh our only hope is the mps to vote against it and emailing everyone but don't quote me on this maybe someone got a better idea but pip is a working benefit the green paper may look clueless rushed but he knows what he's doing

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing
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    Reading this what do people think

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing
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    So this is what we may be missing if it's a money bill have to do pertitions different I photo shopped this but you can find it easily

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 628 Championing

    Haha… No way I’m going on video! It’s just a BBC telephone interview with a reporter, and my name and details will be anonymised.

    As for powers-whatever legal or parliamentary knowledge Starmer may have, let’s not lose sight of the strength and power in our collective voices.

    Best Wishes

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 950 Pioneering

    Thank you @noonebelieves very much for your previous reply to me and it provided reassurance - I am truly grateful!

    I've had several 'out of the ordinary' experiences over the last week which have overwhelmed my mental health leaving me quite fragile. I think I've come to the realisation that i cannot read very detailed contracts/legislation. I cannot assimilate or retain very much and that itself is upsetting, not least because I can't make sense of it even whilst reading 🥲.

    I need to stick to writing my email re the consultantation for now.

    Thank you @Catherine21 too , you're both doing amazing stuff. I do not like leaving it for everyone else to do all the legwork so I'm just very sorry that I can't contribute more intellectually. I hope to have caught up with the relevant threads by Tuesday. They'll be more that I can/must do. Thank you both once again and heartfelt thanks 😊 ❤️ 🙏

  • Slonvinton
    Slonvinton Online Community Member Posts: 70 Empowering
    edited April 19

    Maybe one of the youtube law channels could help

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing
  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,077 Championing

    Parliament makes the official laws in the UK. These are called statutory laws. Sometimes, these laws can go against parts of the Equality Act 2010, but only if another law clearly allows it.

    Through statutory laws, some organisations like councils, the police or hospitals have special powers to do things that might not seem completely fair to everyone, but are allowed because they are important or necessary.

    For example, hospitals are allowed to treat the most seriously ill patients first, even if other people (even disabled) have been waiting longer. This helps save lives. Bus companies can legally save certain seats for disabled passengers. Normally, everyone should be treated the same, but this helps people who need extra support.

    Councils can close roads without asking everyone first if they need to fix something dangerous, like a pothole. They are legally responsible for repairing and keeping roads safe, so the statutory law lets them act quickly when needed.

    However, if an organisation does something that seems unfair under the Equality Act, they must be able to prove that a statutory law allows them to do it. The action must still be fair, necessary and make sense for the situation.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    Dont apologies you have to protect your mental health believe me alot of charities working on this x

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,293 Championing

    Does this apply to the DWP as they have no duty of care for us and why didn't they listen to the ECHR last year I've emailed a few mps and I wrote to my mp and rayner stating this is a massive cull two solicitors got back to me and said they do not deal with these kinds of issues call CAB but honestly they have given me some bad advice I emailed Pathways direct and said basically in my limited writing skills just said direct this is a massive cull you done the data analysis on us all you know exactly how many people this will effect you are deliberately pushing smi into crisis mode

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,077 Championing

    The DWP is required to follow the rules set by Parliament, but it does not have the same legal duty to ensure people's wellbeing as professions such as doctors, schools, or social workers. These professions are legally mandated to safeguard individual’s wellbeing through specific laws (e.g., safeguarding laws).

    In contrast, the DWP’s primary responsibility is to implement the welfare rules created by Parliament, including determining eligibility for benefits. As a result, the DWP is bound to apply these rules, even if some of them may feel unfair or inadequate in certain situations.

    Last year, the DWP was not required to directly comply with decisions from human rights courts, as UK laws made by Parliament take precedence over such rulings. However, the Equality and Human Rights Commission, an independent body tasked with promoting and protecting equality and human rights in the UK, is currently investigating whether the DWP has violated the Equality Act 2010.

    The Equality Act 2010 is designed to protect individuals from discrimination, including in the way public bodies like the DWP operate. If the EHRC concludes that the DWP has breached the Act, it can advocate for legally binding changes, such as improved staff training or clearer guidance regarding disability support. Although these changes might take a while, continuing to speak out and push for change can help make the DWP improve how they handle these issues.