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Oh, wasn't criticising you! This appears in Government reports.
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From previous experience, I don’t think Leigh Days’s view on these issues is relevant or accurate.
Benefits and Work pensions is not an accurate website either, sometimes scaremongering too. My opinion.
My hopes would be with DPAC and any other organisations that aren’t “related” with politics/government in any way if the legal process is to be followed.
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Have public law project and Disability Rights and others so just wait and see
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I agree still have disability uk public law project and some claimants taken them on as well
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I’m going to try and just live for today otherwise I will lose it big time. Please everyone stay strong
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Our last little bit of hope seems to have been quashed too, no legal grounds to oppose these reforms, how on earth can that be right? I'm no lawyer but how inhumane does a policy have to be before it breaks human rights. I think charities and other groups have resigned themselves that these cuts will go through behind the scenes. The government won't back down, emailing mp's is useless, mine never replies, it's all negative each day, not even a glimmer of hope on any one day. Sorry to sound so defeatist, but I honestly can't see a way out of this unless the green paper gets watered down, which looking how things are going is not looking promising.
Maybe other people on here think different, I don't know how reliable the benefits and work website is, but it makes for worrying reading if true.
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Me too body can't handle months of this day by day only way
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You think 1.2 million people going to sit back and accept this no way still have two other lawyers helping and some claimants it does help emailing I've had a few responses don't get disheartened I Google any challenges against 4 point pip rule hava look
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I was just posting what they're saying. I think we're going to need all the help we can get. I'm just hoping some of these proposals will be shelved or watered down.
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Anything I read now online I will ask myself 'Is it Fact or Opinion'?
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Have been contacted by the court for tomorrow, Seems they read my generic letter to all concerned who were or have tried to be involved in my case. (on the DWP and PIP side) it seems they want to discuss the case in greater detail? SORRY guys that was what you should have done the first time round.
I have informed the court that the DWP were to produce documents that I had asked for in 2008 and ever since (The amendment numbers to my PDF files and the judges directional notices? sinc ethen they keep giving me a history lesson, less the information they removed/altered.
This case will go ahead whether the DWSP and Secretary of State turns up or not.
Because they have attached my daughters file to mine, she was to have come with me, but I am not putting pressure on her to appear, especially since she only had the second brain operation 3 weeks ago.
I am her appointee and take that very serious. along with others that I have had to become an appointee for because the assessment of the claimant must be someone else.
I would like to see ALL assessments done by these experts placed onto my medical history as they could explain what is missing from every report.
Need to have 40 winks to recharge ready for tomorrow.
I would like to thank every one who has joined in the discussion and would also like to say what can be done when we join a common cause.
If you don't like the cuts to any benefit or you are about to be assessed, contact your local MP and send your Email stating like the one already produced here, that we will not take any more, unless you show the the changes with supporting evidence, and you show your support for the review of the latest Budget that supports us, and don't state how you will vote, you do not have my support.
Will up date what is going on late tomorrow as I have a meeting in Cardiff to discuss these and other issues I have raised as an independent.
My voice is one voice, but in the right place and in the right ears, it will spread to get us all a living wage from an assessment that is required to get benefits but by people who do what it says on the box.
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If it makes no difference, then E mail him/her, and keep emailing as one thing a parliamentary MP cannot do is NOT REPLY. they hate work or having to do something (not all are like this mind) and spend most of their time defying the labour party, instead of putting forward reasonable reasons as to not want to do what they are supposed to do under the manifestos they are given.
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I wasn’t criticising you. Just pointing out some facts.
people should not be disheartened or scared by what a website says etc.No outside body is going to help with these cuts, if the government backs down or it gets challenged in court, it will be because of the work of disability org that are represented by disabled people with no political interests.
Benefits and work web has its own agenda, they aren’t going to challenge anything.The same with Scope etc etc.
The article on the guardian that was out last week, about PIP and losing majority for some labour MPs in determined constituency’s had come about because of a certain disability org brought this up - PIPs against cuts.
They sent many emails to some mps/constituencies pointing this out a few weeks ago.
Then the press got hold of this story.
ANY CHANGES TO THESE CUTS PROPOSALS WILL DEPEND ON US.
There’s nobody coming to save us.
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Yes, it just initially shocked me, more angry than anything else, like you say don't lose hope, this government loves battering us, it really got to me today. I did google the point rule like you said, this is what I found out.
Yes, the proposed "4 point PIP rule" — part of the UK government's recent consultation on disability benefits reform — can potentially be challenged, but it depends on how the rule is implemented and what legal or advocacy routes are pursued.
What's Being Proposed?
The idea seems to be that people might need to score at least 4 points in a single PIP activity (such as preparing food, managing medication, etc.) to qualify for extra support or a gateway to other benefits. This is different from the current system, where points across multiple activities are added together to determine eligibility.
Can It Be Challenged?
1. Legal Challenge (Judicial Review)
If the rule is implemented and:
- It is found to be discriminatory (e.g., disproportionately impacts people with certain types of disabilities),
- It violates human rights,
- Or it goes against the intention of existing welfare law,
then legal action could be taken via judicial review.
However, judicial reviews can only challenge how a decision was made, not whether the government has the right to change policy — so the argument would have to show the rule is unlawful, irrational, or procedurally unfair.
2. Parliamentary Scrutiny
Before the rule is enacted, MPs and Lords can challenge the regulation through debates, votes, and scrutiny in committees. Campaigners and the public can pressure politicians to oppose it.
3. Advocacy and Public Campaigns
Groups like Disability Rights UK, Z2K, and CPAG often organize campaigns or support legal challenges. If enough people oppose the changes, the government could be pressured into reconsidering or amending the proposal — as has happened with other welfare reforms in the past.
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Thank u for your post. You're absolutely right in what you're saying. The fightback continues on. 👍️
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Hello, good evening.
My summery is the same being posted on benefits and work, Labour's WCA changes and their PIP changes will pass with Tory support but that is not the end, actually it's the continuation of a fightback against the changes, a fightback which we will win but there will be bumps in the road, there always is.
I've seen this and I'll post it, Labour knows that the Green Paper which is has nothing to do with the WCA and the PIP plans will be challenged and so Labour will see halfway that they'll "leave alone" those who will lose PIP and LCWRA but will be on the standard rate of Universal Credit as the fact is if you can't work you can't work.
This must not happen, there must be no halfway house because disabled people will still face destitution regardless. The other possible scenario is another tier of PIP.
There are no jobs, employers would rather hire someone fit and able, there will be more unemployment possibly to record levels by 2029's next election.
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With everything said I am just not seeing any positive directions this is going in. I feel as if it's been decided and one by one we are waiting to see if we lose our benefits. It feels like there no changes that can be made. The government screw us and that's it over.
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I feel the same way.
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That's better than work and benefits I believe it will be watered down I email my mp everyday I've emailed out of my area email there is some Sharpe clued up people they done this every ten years don't sink take day by day some people who review pip could be law students professionals everyone working at different paces but it all makes a different keep emailing your mp flood them with emails
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