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If I get this survey I'm very tempted to ask the DWP what they spent their money on.
We're not electing this time, ours is due in 2 years I think. But my area is a very. Labour. Council. And services here almost all funnelled into Labour wards at the expense of the others…and Labour never put a meaningful candidate in my ward anyway so not voting for them would be meaningless. Hardly anyone in my ward has voted Labour in 30 years.
So it wouldn't really matter that much overall.
One of the main reasons I didn't vote Labour in the election was their desire to build all over our green spaces, which our Council has earmarked for all the non-Labour wards…without considering infrastructure or environmental/flooding impact. They do a lot of talking and not much listening.
With that said, in central government Labour are still better than the alternatives. Remember even if the ones at the top are being unreasonable, there are a growing number of Labour MPs rebelling against this initiative and speaking out against cuts.I agree with worried that the breakdown of the points reflects an outdated and ignorant assumption about what constitutes disability - and indicates a complete lack of engagement with actual disabled people leading up to the policy.
I am so sick of reading the legally invalid term "severe disability" in articles and speeches.0 -
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At least three parties with the same number of seats are needed in parliament.
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Have you seen the new questionnaire? I thought it was just about what we spend our money on but I watched YouTube and it showed that form with question 11 missing. But it showed the return date as July 2024 . I’m confused as the form mentions vouchers and catalogues again when they were dismissed by Kendall.
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OBV, "altering the result of a Tribunal" Same here. The decision was never uploaded.
My start and end dates were also re-sequenced more than once.
2008 was when my IB/IS claim began, according to the DWP. In their speak, my claim was "put back on the system". It had "fallen off the system". But it was now a 'new claim' under new rules which disadvantaged me and put me at substantial risk of harm and homelessness.
There is no Legal Aid funding or expertise available to remedy systemic failings of the state.
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This is, like you a faliure to amend files altered by the DWP and PIP. If they were to alter the files in my case (which they did) and like yours changed the outcome because they called it welfare reform then they have to show the supporting evidence of this.
this is where I am now, and by also getting everyone here and on other sites to realise what is happening, with the guise of Welfare reform or Human Rights, or the Disability act of assessment as a need to get people who can do something else, and grouping us with Working age people it looks good on paper.
Sincce I have taken my casee to a Tribunal many years ago. In fact 2008 was one of them, Social Security and benefit entitlements have been altered year on year with as I stated the only loser for paying for their habitual errors is us.
This ends tomorrow. I can already tell you what the answer tomorror will be, but I will allow the "judicial System" carry on. The directives given to yhe DWP, PIP, and Capita PIP are all logged, and yet again the documents I have requested have not arrived.
This is prequesit of the Court that all evidence presented to the other party must also be sent to the court so that there is no excuse that the other side did not receive the documents that you may later rely on in court to support your claim.
One classic response is "silence is golden" and wait (the DWP) for the 13 month rule to kick in and get the judge to strike the listing off, as an offer has been "made to the court" and there is no higher Benefit that can be given."
I said before I am very explicit in what I ask for of the DWP and has never been about the money, whether as a back payment or a claim for compensation for what they have done to the Claimant. Although the back payment is why we go to court where a Judge's directional notice highlights the result of the court, which they then start to negociate AFTER THE COURT has given its adudication. The time for this at the court to limit liability not after.
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Alteration is the right word, affecting tax records, NI records and entitlement to HB/CTB.
In my case, DWP pretended not to have received the fax sent to them by HMCTS on the day of the hearing. The lies and excuses kept on coming from JCP as they tried to fix my imagined ill-health and imagined entitlement to disability benefits.
They tried everything they could to make me claim JSA which I refused to do and was not entitled to. My records suggest that I did make a claim.
When I joined the forum, I was told that none of this could have happened so I'm immensely grateful to you for sharing your experience!
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Been there, done that, thats why I keep copies of everything, including Court results.
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it was on that no justice YouTube channel with that ex DWP lady. She said it was the latest survey.
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Dear all,
Hope you’re all doing well. I’m currently in the middle of a spiritual retreat but wanted to quickly share this: please check out Disability Rebellion, a new DPO on X and Bluesky. They’re holding their first admin meeting this Friday and are keen to hear from disabled people—ideas and input (re: this green paper )welcome! Please connect ✊They’re very responsive and open.
Sharing a screenshot from X. Admin’s handle on X is @areyoflight .Will catch up with this thread over the weekend.
Missing you all!❤️
Let’s stand in unity !
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Ask your MP to back Diane Abbot's call for Welfare Not Warfare.
It only takes 30 seconds - lobby your MP here and spread the word today!
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⚠️ Government Phishing Alert!! ⚠️
If you see this on Facebook or anywhere else for that matter, don't fill it in!
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onebigvoiceScope Member Posts: 897 Pioneering11:25AMBeen there, done that, thats why I keep copies of everything, including Court resultsI have too. It's how I've traced the erosion of my awards. Now in my 18th year of this. I won't feel secure until I can claim my state pension, if I last that long 😆
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On the Benefits & Work Site today under 'News'
No legal ‘silver bullet’ to stop PIP proposals
Benefits and Work and Inclusion London have obtained counsel’s advice on possible challenges to the Pathways To Work Green Paper proposals.
The advice suggests that at this stage there appears to be no clear or obvious route for challenge or ‘silver bullet’ regarding the ‘flagship’ elements of the policy. Instead, individuals and organisations should focus efforts on challenging elements of the Green Paper politically as much as possible.
Benefits and Work and Inclusion London asked solicitors Leigh Day to obtain advice from counsel about the potential legal challenges to the March 2025 welfare reform proposals. Leigh Day appointed barrister Tom Royston of Garden Court North Chambers to undertake the work.
Both Leigh Day and Tom Royston have a great deal of experience in social security law and we are grateful to them for the very detailed advice they have provided.
The advice addressed the following proposals in the Green Paper:
(I) ‘Focussing PIP more on those with higher needs’: the proposal to require at least one 4 point descriptor to be met to qualify for PIP;
(II) ‘Scrap the WCA’: the proposal to amend the process by which ill and disabled people can claim income replacement benefit, and the amount of money they receive;
(III) ‘New unemployment insurance’: the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit;
(IV) ‘Delaying access to the UC health element until age 22’: not paying 18-21 PIP recipients any extra means tested element in UC.
Looking in summary at the above proposals, counsel told us that substantial challenges to central aspects of the envisaged legislation would ‘be likely to fall at various places along a spectrum from ‘hopeless’ to ‘challenging’.”
In other words, given the information currently available, the chances of preventing the proposals being made law or overturning them subsequently appear to be limited.
In relation specifically to PIP, a range of issues were considered, including - but not limited to -the decision not to consult on this measure, challenges under the Human Rights Act 1998 and challenges under the Equality Act 2010. But the probability of any challenge succeeding in relation to the PIP 4-point rule specifically was considered to be low and heavily dependent on circumstances.
Counsel did stress, however, that there may well be successful legal challenges in the future to elements of the above proposals, but these are likely to be to “contingent aspects of the proposals which emerge along the way, rather than to the elementary principles which were clear at the start.”
In other words, if the laws are enacted, then the courts may have a major role to play in examining the way they are interpreted and implemented but not in upsetting the basic foundations, such as the PIP 4-point rule. Benefits and Work will aim to support any such challenges in any way it can.
We are not able to publish the advice at present and we should add that it applies only to the four issues listed. The Green Paper contains many more proposals that were not covered.
In addition, we did not ask for advice on whether the current Green Paper consultation is lawful, because our initial enquiries are primarily about proposals which are not being consulted on.
We know that this news will be greeted with considerable dismay by many readers, who had hoped that the courts could prevent such clearly cruel and discriminatory proposals coming into force.
Sadly, there seems unlikely to be ‘silver bullet’ or straightforward legal answer.
Instead, by far the best hope of preventing these cuts is to persuade MPs to pledge to vote against them, as evidence grows that the Labour Party is struggling to contain a rebellion.
As one Labour MP, Neil Duncan-Jordan, who won his seat with a majority of just 18 votes but who has 5,000 constituents receiving PIP, told the Guardian “The whole policy is wrong. It goes without saying that if these benefits cuts go through, I will be toast in this seat.”
More facts about the effects of the cuts are being uncovered with each passing week.
Making MPs, especially those with slim majorities, aware of how dramatically the cuts will affect claimant’s lives provides the best hope that they will never come to pass.
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Leigh Day has somehow never quite got to the bottom of the 'welfare fiasco' whilst making a fortune from our misery. Nice work if you can get it!
I keep seeing focusing and focused misspelt. Detail matters and we should not rely on LD to change much for us. They haven't so far.
Welfare reform has been allowed to run and kept running with errors in text and interpretation.
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I copied this from the Benefits and Work site today. It's not looking promising from their assessment of things.😨
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Oh, wasn't criticising you! This appears in Government reports.
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From previous experience, I don’t think Leigh Days’s view on these issues is relevant or accurate.
Benefits and Work pensions is not an accurate website either, sometimes scaremongering too. My opinion.
My hopes would be with DPAC and any other organisations that aren’t “related” with politics/government in any way if the legal process is to be followed.
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I’m going to try and just live for today otherwise I will lose it big time. Please everyone stay strong
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Our last little bit of hope seems to have been quashed too, no legal grounds to oppose these reforms, how on earth can that be right? I'm no lawyer but how inhumane does a policy have to be before it breaks human rights. I think charities and other groups have resigned themselves that these cuts will go through behind the scenes. The government won't back down, emailing mp's is useless, mine never replies, it's all negative each day, not even a glimmer of hope on any one day. Sorry to sound so defeatist, but I honestly can't see a way out of this unless the green paper gets watered down, which looking how things are going is not looking promising.
Maybe other people on here think different, I don't know how reliable the benefits and work website is, but it makes for worrying reading if true.
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