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Uc basic is being increased so all those being made unemployed will think that extra £7 will stop them claiming sickness benefits when they lose their jobs . I can’t think he’s doing anything for the better of this country, it’s as though he’s purposely destroying it. No one can be this stupid surely.
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We got change Catherine, change for the worse. I’d rather have Sunak back I don’t think he was this cold hearted
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Thanks, I definately agree MPs who side with this will regret it in the long run - at least the ones that are normal people. There are probably a few MPs who genuinely enjoy torturing the poor and disabled. My worry is that any buyer's remorse will be slow to come and only after huge damage has been inflicted. It's so frustrating when it's so damn obvious this 'reform' is cruel, pointless and will not work - I know nothing about economics and even I can see the damage it will cause - even if some politics don't care about it on a personal level, it makes no sense to take money away. I don't know whether to keep emailing my MP. It was really scary at first but I got a template from a youtube channel (Charlie Anderson) that was helpful - my first email was a rambling mess. It does give me hope that there are MPs who hate this - you can begin to see the tide turning with them with winter fuel amoung MPs. I cannot understand why the govt is still so stubbornly clinging to these policies, especially Labour. I pray we and the MPs can pressure them into a u-turn, I don't care if the govt finds it 'too humilating'. there's so many things they've got so wrong and I don't get why - winter fuel, 2 child benefit cap etc. It just looks so, so bad. Do they really not care? I can't believe they actually believe in these policies…*sigh*
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I think Sunak would have been easier to persuade to change his mind . I thought at the time when Mel stride brought out the Tory green paper it seemed a last attempt at vote winning. Mel stride seems a thoroughly horrible man but I didn’t get that from Sunak . Certainly nothing like Starmer .
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https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-14/almost-50-mps-to-rebel-over-welfare-cuts-as-labour-revolt-grows
More and more against, the revolt is gaining strength.
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I think another MP charged with sexual assault
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That seems a very low number. We need more Labour MP's to revolt. Any MP that votes for these proposals will lose their seat at the next General Election.
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I emailed my MP and got a standard copy and paste reply supporting the cuts. I sent the reply to Scope’s campaign team who asked, if I felt able, to email again and give him Scope’s public affairs team contact details. I’ve just had a more personal reply from my MP. He doesn’t say whether he still backs the cuts or not but I felt that he is actually listening now and is more likely to form his own opinion rather than do as he’s told
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No. B&W don't fill in forms but their resources about how to complete a form are invaluable.
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They’re rotten to the core Catherine. I think he’s a Tory if I remember correctly. If he is he may at least get jail time . The Labour one got off after sex assault on a 13 year old . Not that there’s a two tier justice system of course
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You said:
"I read once gained settled status they can also claim benefits such as uc and maybe pip I don’t know. As you say getting us to do their jobs would be killing two birds with one stone and maybe that’s why the uc basic uplift ."
I have settled status which you get after 5 years of living in the UK.
I also get UC/LCWRA and PIP.
And now what? You're telling me: "go back to your country!!!" because I can no longer do "their job"?
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I haven’t told you to do anything I simply made the point that according to government figures there are 1 million immigrants on benefits and perhaps that’s another reason for cuts as he knows he won’t cut immigration so in order to keep the rise in benefit claimants down he has to make it harder to claim .
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I don’t know if Starmer and reeves are really this stupid or is it all planned . The things they’re doing are unbelievable and in a short space of time .
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… so, I don't understand this government's policy on immigration.
I am an EU expat myself, but when I came here 20 years ago, the rules were clear:
work permit but no benefits from 2004 to 2011, i.e. 7 years.
I don't know on what basis immigrants receive benefits now.
But remember that "settled status" and "immigrant status" are 2 different things.
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Let’s hope so Catherine 🤞🤞
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I don’t know myself it was simply a conversation which it was considered is there a correlation between the green paper on benefits and the white paper on immigration and are they some how connected. I’ve no idea if Starmer has a real plan and is just two faced or if he’s very stupid and out of his depth like reeves . But something isn’t right as people don’t change overnight like he claims to have done .
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I doubt he has any plan.
I'll tell you from my point of view, when I came here I was simply shocked, in this country you get benefits even "for breathing" but that's a different matter.
This is all the result of the idiotic decision on Brexit. They got rid of workers from Europe who came here to work not for benefits.
They thought that they were forcing citizens to do the work that emigrants did. It doesn't work like that.
20 years ago I left my country to make a living. Now emigrants are coming to my country to work, because locals don't want to do low-paid and hard work anymore, because the country has developed.
That's how it was and will be. But they think that they will close the border and force people to work by starvation, healthy or disabled. It will take decades to change that.
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