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  • honeyhoney
    honeyhoney Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering
    edited May 2025

    … so, I don't understand this government's policy on immigration.

    I am an EU expat myself, but when I came here 20 years ago, the rules were clear:

    work permit but no benefits from 2004 to 2011, i.e. 7 years.

    I don't know on what basis immigrants receive benefits now.

    But remember that "settled status" and "immigrant status" are 2 different things.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I don’t know myself it was simply a conversation which it was considered is there a correlation between the green paper on benefits and the white paper on immigration and are they some how connected. I’ve no idea if Starmer has a real plan and is just two faced or if he’s very stupid and out of his depth like reeves . But something isn’t right as people don’t change overnight like he claims to have done .

  • honeyhoney
    honeyhoney Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    I doubt he has any plan.

    I'll tell you from my point of view, when I came here I was simply shocked, in this country you get benefits even "for breathing" but that's a different matter. 

    This is all the result of the idiotic decision on Brexit. They got rid of workers from Europe who came here to work not for benefits.

    They thought that they were forcing citizens to do the work that emigrants did. It doesn't work like that.

    20 years ago I left my country to make a living. Now emigrants are coming to my country to work, because locals don't want to do low-paid and hard work anymore, because the country has developed.

    That's how it was and will be. But they think that they will close the border and force people to work by starvation, healthy or disabled. It will take decades to change that.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    What I can’t understand is his idea that he’s going to stop carer workers ( no mention that I’ve heard of hospitality etc)from abroad which is a hard job and get sick and disabled people to do it instead if they don’t get the 4 points. No mention of fit Healthy job seekers , they don’t seem bothered about them . In fact they’re getting an extra £7 . They must know it won’t work. I have ME and fibromyalgia, I find it hard carrying a cup some days so how could I lift a frail person. They know we are mostly unemployable so it’s just about cost cutting. He’s now made this stupid statement about stopping care workers from abroad, who does he think will do that work then . As a lawyer he knows hiring us would be a health and safety issue.

  • honeyhoney
    honeyhoney Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    Thank you @MW123 I know my rights, I could have applied for citizenship 15 years ago, but the price of a book called a passport, over 1000 pounds, discouraged me from doing so. I preferred to spend this money on my children.

    Here absurdity follows absurdity. Living here I have the same rights as a British citizen except that I cannot vote in general elections.

    Additionally, on my European passport I can live and work in all of Europe without restrictions. Where does a British person need a visa. My God, what has it come to?

  • honeyhoney
    honeyhoney Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    the only thing I can answer you is that they want to make communism here,

    I lived in this system for over 20 years from the day I was born and I remember it perfectly, what it was like.

    There were NO benefits, empty shelves in stores and no one cared, everyone managed on their own as best they could.

    That is why after the fall of communism so many people left for the so-called "west" in order to improve their lives. How do you know what they are planning?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Just watched disability talk with Steve . He shows an interview with that odious man Sir snake Timms who claims due to the previous government people aspire to claim LCWRA . Then he went on to say they need to get control of pip so it can continue for those who need it past short term . To me it came across as though they’re playing the disabled off against each other . Some aren’t as deserving as others and if it’s not stopped the people who “ really” need pip won’t get it . I think perhaps damage control after his previous interview in the mirror.

  • ashmere
    ashmere Online Community Member Posts: 69 Empowering

    From the Rightsnet site

    FOI response shows impacts of proposed new ‘four-point’ PIP rule by age group and gender

    Further details of the impact of the proposed PIP 'four-point' rule are included in a new FOI response for the DWP that includes details of the number of claimants in receipt of the PIP daily living component split by age and gender:

    Age:

    • in January 2025 there were 1,307,000 male claimants, of which 507,000 (39 per cent) were awarded less than 4 points in all daily living activities, and therefore be affected by changes to the PIP rules outlined in the Pathways to Work Green Paper; and
    • there were 1,507,000 female claimants, of which 818,000 (52 per cent) were awarded less than 4 points in all daily living activities.

    Gender:

    • the 16-19 age group, with 175,000 claimants in receipt of the daily living component in January 2025, had the lowest number and percentage of total caseload that will lose out under the PIP 'four-point' change (11,000 or 6 per cent of the total current daily living caseload);
    • the 50-59 age group had the highest number of claimants in receipt of the daily living component (776,000), and 56 per cent of these (461,000) will lose entitlement under the new 'four-point' rule; and
    • the 60+ group had the highest proportion of losers (58 per cent), where 328,000 of the total caseload of 569,000 would lose entitlement.

    NB - the FOI also provides a breakdown of the volume of claimants in receipt of the PIP daily living component split by local authority and the proportion awarded less than 4 points in all daily living activities.

    More: FOI: Numbers of claimants of PIP who have less than 4 points in any one category

    See also:

    https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/now/post/63025

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Oh I just heard carers being mentioned, I did think it strange he only mentioned that profession. It makes no sense as we as sick or disabled couldn’t even get the jobs due to health and safety even if we were well enough. I just can’t work out if he’s clueless or doing thing on purpose. I did just see an interview with Zarah Sultana who said it’s mcswinney who’s actually in power and not Starmer .

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  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 4,351 Championing

    Yes. The resources and the forum are subscription only. However, the news page, the monthly newsletter, and the ESA and PIP tests are free.

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  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    can I ask a question if any one knows the answer too if and when the green paper gets approved will ECHR get involved ?

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    I’m just getting prepared for the next step after the vote in June thanks for the reply

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 313 Championing

    The very fact that Reform are going to vote with Labour tells you all you need to know about both parties.

    On another subject, I emailed my MP regarding this situation and it was emotive but sincere, kind and respectful. I said there are some of us who have serious mental issues who can't work let alone go out the front door and I asked what of us?

    I said who is going to employ someone who has a history of rage issues? Hannibal Lector's vegan cooking club? I didn't say that 🤣

    Anyway I was respectful and asked her to acknowledge that any single person could become mentally and or physically incapacitated in a heartbeat and that financial safety net saves lives.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 4,351 Championing

    I'm sorry. I don't. I've subscribed to B & W for more than ten years.

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    Absolutely. Like you, I have just under six years to go until pensionable age. I worked for forty years, full-time, until disease and disability struck.

    I don't believe I will reach retirement age if these cuts go through. I will be in poverty and unable to afford the basic things. The stress of it all will push me over the edge mentally. This is not how I ever thought the end of my life would be.

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 249 Empowering

    The government are soft on criminals but hard on disabled. They make me sick

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 4,351 Championing

    Bear in mind that the are people going through the criminal justice system and in jail that have lived with undiagnosed autism, severe learning difficulties, mental health issues without support. Often these criminals have lived on the streets. Some have never had homes. Careleavers are very young people with difficult histories who are inadequacy supported. There but the grace of God go I.

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