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  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing
    edited May 2025

    From "The I":

    Politics

    Labour frontbenchers poised to quit over PIP cuts - despite winter fuel U-turn

    MPs are demanding that changes to disability benefits due to be implemented in 2026 are delayed

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    Prime Minister Keir Starmer speaking during the weekly session of Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs) in the House of Commons

    Chloe Chaplain

    Chloe Chaplain

    Senior Political Correspondent

    Sir Keir Starmer faces frontbench resignations unless his government agrees to demands from MPs to water down the disability benefit reforms.

    Pressure on No10 to change course over plans to restrict benefits – including personal independence payments (PIP) – showed no sign of abating this week despite the PM’s U-turn on the winter fuel allowance.

    MPs are demanding the changes to PIP, due to be implemented in 2026 if they clear a parliamentary vote next month, are delayed to allow time for more assessments and consultation.

    The i Paper understands there are around five members of the frontbench, in parliamentary private secretary (PPS) roles, who have said they would be prepared to resign if the cuts are not watered down.

    And there are understood to be more who are privately concerned about the measures and have not yet spoken out.

    MPs are also worried over the Government’s decision to block those under the age of 22 from being able to receive incapacity benefits.

    According to sources, around 110 MPs have signed a letter to the chief whip warning that they will not support the bill in its current form.

    They have asked for a more thorough public consultation of the disability benefit changes and an independent assessment of the impact it would have both on individuals and public services.

    This comes after a separate letter, signed by around 40 MPs, was sent to the PM.

    The Government has a working majority of 165 votes, taking into consideration MPs who do not vote, and many rebels who would be inclined to abstain rather than vote against Keir Starmer.

    As a result, the rebellion is not enough to guarantee the measures would be blocked but it would tight enough to put a lot of pressure on the government and poses a risk they may decide is not worth taking.

    One Labour rebel told The i Paper the measures must be delayed by a year, with a package of reforms to mental health support announced before they are voted on.

    Ministers have said they are “listening” to the concerns of MPs – and have not ruled out making changes.

    But it is understood Government insiders believe there is little room to manoeuvre given the increase in reliance on disability benefits and the urgent need to reform the system.

    Nearly 1 in 10 people of working age are now on at least one sickness or disability benefit.

    The Government said the benefits bill for sickness and disability has increased by £20 billion since the pandemic and is expected to rise by a further £18bn by the end of the current Parliament without reforms.

    The measures are seeking to cut welfare spending by £5bn a year and reduce the rise in the number of people relying on sickness and incapacity benefits.

    PIP is not means-tested or related to a person’s work status but based on a person’s capability.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall has proposed raising the threshold for the welfare payment so only those with the most serious psychiatric or physical conditions would continue to be eligible.

    The Universal Credit health element – which is for those out of work who are assessed as too sick to look for employment – will also be restricted.

    Kendall doubled down on her plans to overhaul the sickness and disability benefit system in a speech earlier this week.

    Speaking at a think tank event in central London, Kendall said she understood there were concerns about some of the proposals but argued they were key in the political fight against Reform UK.

    The minister underlined her belief that proposals would have to go ahead, and said they were “crucial to fighting the rise in populist politics”.

    She denied she was forced into the cuts due to the need to make savings.

    “Whatever the fiscal position that the government faces, I think the system as a whole needs to change,” she said, adding: “I’m not doing this to be tough, I am doing this because I believe there is a better way to transform lives.”

    It comes after it emerged that Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner had written to Chancellor Rachel Reeves in March urging her to consider higher wealth taxes, rather than cutting the welfare bill.

    Downing Street was contacted for comment.

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Maybe we could work at bed of dreams😂. Can’t think of anywhere else we could work

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Rayner apparently wants a wealth tax instead of cuts

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I wonder how many of the audience was picked for a certain agenda ?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Hi jul ,

    I’ve removed demented Kendall’s face but didn’t know how to put the newly cropped pic at the top 😂. Hopefully people will realise what it’s about as I wanted to let everyone know where the article came from .

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing
  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 269 Empowering
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I’ve read a few different articles about Rayner plotting to take his place

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Just read this in the guardian, if true it makes me think they’re waiting to see the outcome of the vote , that way they have savings for the two child cap to be extended or scrapped. I hope I’m wrong and being overly suspicious.

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  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,489 Championing

    They want to lift children out of poverty while putting disabled people into poverty. Strange.

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    What amazes me is the Labour leaderships complete unawareness that it's their own voters that will see the back of them and, under the circumstances, will never vote them in again

    They have a lot more to worry about than Reform! The actual fact is that only 8% of Reform voters would ever consider voting Labour. The Labour leadership is forcing the party into extinction because Keir Starmer will only listen to Morgan McSweeny. Who voted for him! 🤔

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    IMO somethings happening behind the scenes as there’s talk of delaying the child poverty strategy until autumn. I have a bad feeling ( and pray I’m wrong) that they’re waiting to see the outcome of the disability vote and the backlash they receive if it goes through. If they get the cuts through will they use those savings as an excuse to scrap the 2 child limit? As I said I hope I’m wrong and just being overly suspicious

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    I'd love to be a fly on the wall on the cabinet wall at No 10 (where the ministers meet) and at Loathsome Liz's offices. 🤢

    I bet we'd hear some really encouraging information that way! 😊

    There are so many on our side that their last ditch efforts to try to talk up er.... I meant lie about these evil proposals that I don't think anyone is going to be convinced by them. Too many know the truth of what is actually going to happen to us and we have right on our side. ✊

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    It does help us feel better if we remember that we can give them a lot of trouble at the Local Elections next year. ✊ That's what we have a democracy for, they seem to forget that our votes count and will make a lot of difference.

    I'm doing quite well with the replies from my MP (a Tory) but so not to wear out my welcome I'll tackle him again after all this comes to a head next month, whether there's a vote or whether the proposals are postponed until the the OBRs impact assessment in October.

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    Hi secret squirrel

    Don't worry about the photos then, its only if you could crop them. You're right in saying that we are better off knowing what the articles say rather than worry about the photos with them. 😊

    I bet the media would be surprised that these photos are retraumatizing us. They are not in our position though. 😞

    She's getting desperate, that's why she's letting slip about it being about Reform votes. She knows she's not winning the conversation on this, not one bit.

    I've read that only 8% of voters would consider changing from Labour to Reform. A much greater number of Labour's own voters, including us are going to abandon them and in many cases, they will never get those voters back.

    It's lunacy how blinkered they are though, they insist on keep making this mistake. I think that Labour won't not get in for another term but also that they have a great chance of never being elected again.

    That will stand as a warning for other parties too. ✊

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    Hi 😊

    Really don't worry about it. It's better that all the pages of the article are on, whether or not the photo's on it. Thanks for trying though. 👍

    I'm sitting here chuckling, after reading about your efforts 😆, thanks for cheering me up!! 👌

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    It's called Collective and it's a number of left wing organisations who are getting together with the hope of forming a new mass movement that can develop into a new left wing party big enough to take on the leading political parties.

    Here's a link to their website if you want to read some more about them. 😊

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Hi Jul ,

    I think I’ve managed to remove her face though only hypothetically unfortunately 😂 . Isn’t it terrible when someone’s face has such a traumatic affect on people. And of course if they knew they wouldn’t care as those 3 are simply psychopaths.
    What do you think of all this Rayner talk ? She seems to be distancing herself from the cuts and has apparently tried to get them to tax the wealthy instead of cutting benefits . Whether it’s true or not I’m going to write to her as she may be on our side . It’s worth a shot I think .

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    I've just read that in the Guardian and I had the same thoughts as you. I don't think that you are being overly suspicious at all. 😔

    However, Labour MPs have been saying for quite some time now that they are not going to be bought by trade offs with other impoverished groups.

    They are not going to accept one or two groups being protected and another destroyed. They want all disadvantaged groups to be looked after.

    It may come as a shock to Loathesome Liz 🤢 and Co but not everyone thinks in the same deplorable, morally bankrupt, penny pinching way that they do!!vThey really can't see themselves as others see them. 😡

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