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So if you add the 13% on enhanced plus those who also claim lcwra the £3.5-£5billion is conservative. If half claim lcwra that’s almost £10b a year without the 13% enhanced. Thanks for adding that up for me Martin

But we know the apparent percentage of those who don’t currently get a 4 point . Obviously that will change with reassessments etc but it’s a rough idea. My point is they’re saying cuts of £3.5-£5 billion but I wonder if they’re expecting to save more without us and MPs knowing. The same way that the figures for those who get enhanced without a 4 point is said to be 13% but was said to be half that .

This is a reputable source which I read when it first came out. Thank you @Passerby for showing it here & I'm pleased to see you gave a link to the whole article, which I hope our members read as we need to know more from the OBR in autumn before any proposed changes should be even contemplated.

yes 2nd June

For someone on a moral crusade I’m sure she will reply.

I’m looking forward to reading how she is going to save us all from a life of despair and pain.

They're saying it was Tory policy to force people into jobs and I've no doubt that it's still going on.

There are getting less jobs all the time and I've no doubt that you've noticed that it not only doesn't get a mention but neither does the fact that there is an ever growing number of fit and healthy jobseekers that will be given the jobs that ministers claim we are going to be employed in.

I agree that they want to make the benefits system as unattractive as possible to the people who are probably already losing their jobs due to the government's failed policies.

We should not have our lives ruined by evil ministers trying to make us carry the can for their ideological stupidity!

That's one of our great problems, that we don't have a strong left wing presence in politics. Hopefully, with the focus on the way people like us are being treated so appallingly, that is going to improve.

I think that backbench MPs have become very aware of the fact that ministers are quite happy to throw them to the wolves while they have secured a very bright future for themselves.

They are fed up with having their opinions sidelined and being treated with complete disrespect. I think that will be evident in the voting for these proposals, which is coming up, at last.

I think that MPs have worked out enough to be very worried about these proposals and the effect on their votes that they will no longer have from us, on their already low majorities.

I've not read that about Labour saying that not many of us will be affected because our conditions are getting worse, so we will score more.

That does sound like an excuse to try to get the cuts through by the ministers to me. You will have to tell me where you read that. 🤔

Hi Squirrel 🐿️

I couldn't quite understand what you'd put down, I must admit. I know what that's like, with brain fog and wonder if the community may be too polite to tell me that my posts my be somewhat confused at times! 🤣

The ministers are trying a lot of different things to try to head of the huge revolt from Labour. If they thought the vote was going their way they wouldn't feel the need to keep trying it on. I think that it shows that things are going our way.

Labour MPs have insisted on the fact that they are not going to be swayed by tweaks. I hope that we can trust them on that! I think that there's a reasonable chance that we can though.

Kendall gets her big meeting in front of all the party's rebels today. All those really awkward questions, I wouldn't like to be in her shoes! 😉 I hope they REALLY drag her over the coals. 😁

I didn't know that and am shocked to hear that it's such a low number! Perhaps because I am one of this low number I have subconsciously overestimated the number that get 4 points in my mind, I don't know. The other alternative is the struggle I have with brain fog due to my ME, I find that I don't always get things right I'm afraid.

I didn't intend to do that and I agree that I should be more careful in the future.

However, everyone makes mistakes and perhaps you should remember that the people on this community are disabled in all sorts of different ways and are all struggling to express ourselves properly due to all sorts of health challenges.

We are also each currently going through circumstances that no human being should have to go through with the proposed cuts!

I think that you could have put your issue to me in a kinder way. I know we are all under great pressure as disabled people at this time but please remember that we are all better off making the effort to work together rather than fall out with each other over aspects of these proposals.

That is just what the Labour leadership want us to do, so they can win, so wouldn't it be better to work together, in the face of such a great common enemy? 🤔