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  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 255 Empowering

    It's like something out of Hitler's playbook, work will set you free indeed.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,314 Championing

    I really don't believe they will get away with this they are literally despised because of starmer kendell reeves the amount of damage they done already they may have an agenda I truly beleive thier MPs despise them of course some will be to scared to vote against but I believe this will be watered down and tomorrow they will use buzz words get us into a heightened state don't fall for it they literally live off our fear blah blah blah

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,459 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    It's a very grey area I think @Ross1975 I've been there as well and I actually found a bit of encouragement really helped my mental health and the more I did something, the more comfortable I became, which again helped the mental health. It can be a positive snowballing effect if done correctly and tailored to the individual. If done badly, it can make an individuals conditions a lot worse, dangerously so.

    But of course it will be different for every person and in some cases, it will be impossible to make it work. They seem to be wanting to try a one size fits all coaching method, which will fail in many cases.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    What about work coaches “ encouraging “ those of us with physical conditions ie ME and fibromyalgia? My pain and fatigue is so bad I’m mostly house / bed bound . Just sitting in a chair for short periods of time tire me out. Pushing people with ME is actually harmful to us . Where would we stand legally if we lose pip plus lcwra ?

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 2,534 Championing

    I received mine 15 months before my current award ends.

    Goodness knows whats going on lol.

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,459 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    I'd really be hoping the work coaches used some common sense and saw you'd be unable to work @secretsquirrel1 🤞

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    It’s like the assessor situation, all to do with luck as to who your work coach / assessor is .

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    That’s just not fair , we don’t getting enough rest in between assessments as it is . Yet I hear of people still on DLA , doesn’t make sense

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 255 Empowering
    edited June 17

    I agree, if done correctly I can see it improving some people's mental health.

    What I'm worried about though are work coaches who don't do it correctly, and especially work coaches who are not understanding and don't have empathy and expect you to just get a grip, I would be done for if I had to start seeing a work coach like that with the threat of sanctions, I wouldn't survive. This is one of my worst nightmares.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 255 Empowering

    Exactly, some are lovely and some are sadistic.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    Sometimes it’s the lovely ones you need to be careful of

  • Fuzzy200
    Fuzzy200 Online Community Member Posts: 42 Empowering

    I have just been reading this article. Apparently no 10 have said no more surprises or changes, the bill will go through.

    https://liveapp.inews.co.uk/category/3752544/content.html

  • Fuzzy200
    Fuzzy200 Online Community Member Posts: 42 Empowering
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    I can’t read as not subscribed. He seems to be u turning on everything apart from us . Sooner he’s forced out the better

  • charlie72
    charlie72 Online Community Member Posts: 257 Pioneering

    I think if certain people have to engage with a workcoach, and lets say you have social anxiety, can't engage with people properly etc then the reasonable adjustments will have to be made. They can't force you to attend a JC if it would put you in danger or more distress, there are laws which protect us against that. The equality act 2010 for one, and your human rights too, I think most of us would just have to engage periodically either on the phone or through your online journals. If they try force me to a JC i'll be taking legal action against the DWP, the workcoach, and JC involved. I refuse to let them scare me, intimidate me, or make threats of me losing my benefits, when the law is on my side. It's all utter nonsense, and more scare tactics by the government and Kendall to demoralise us and beat us down, don't fall for it, it's completely illegal, immoral, and unworkable.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    Thank you . They should say that pip will always be there as long as you get a 4 point, nothing to do with being sick or disabled

  • rach_90
    rach_90 Online Community Member Posts: 38 Contributor

    to be honest this government haven’t got the best track record for sticking to their word. They said they wouldn’t back down to the WFA, they u-turned. The two children cap, they said they wouldn’t back down, they backed down. The consultation is completely lawful, so will be likely challenged.

    Remember they haven’t completely u-turned on the WFA. I think all pensioners got this until last year, then it was those only on pension credit, that left those just over the threashold to choose between eating or heating, last winter. Now I believe that pensioner with annual income no more than £35,000 will receive it this year.

    That a softening of the cut to the WFA. I think we will see the same thing if I’m honest - not a complete u-turn or scrapping of the cuts, but a watered down proposal, remember know we know MPs are voting on it, they can voice their concerns etc.

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