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If anyone on here is on X go on to Dr Jay Watts @Shrink _at_Large page and view this which was posted on her page. Apologies I posted this under 'Green Paper and Benefits Reforms updates' by mistake.
Dr Jay Watts
TW "Peace of mind will...be given to 200,000 individuals in the Severe Conditions Criteria group... as they will not be called for reassessed for Universal Credit (UC) under new legislation."Right, this is the hill I will die on. These criteria rule out nearly all with MH.
Department for Work and PensionsThe Severe Conditions Criteria does include those with mental health conditions - where it is applied claimants will receive the higher rate of LCWRA and not face reassessment(1/2)
DR JAY WATTSTechnically yes, de facto no. You keep mental illness in the criteria but ALL MH conditions are treated as fluctuating and episodic so we’re excluded by the ‘constantly’ requirement. Ditto ‘no chance of recovery’ - MH profs literally trained in the recovery model however severe.
Department for Work and PensionsAlso - all existing claimants of LCWRA, including those with mental health conditions - will continue to get the same amount until 2029/30
DR JAY WATTSIt is not the same amount as it is not rising with inflation so it is less each year.
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Just catching up here. I agree with @WhatThe that wherever possible credible links should be given. I'm not disputing that another member knows someone who worked as an assessor, etc for the DWP & left in disgust, as we've heard that from several other members. It's to be remembered that that's just a members personal opinion, so not objective.
The assessors have to follow guidelines such as here for PIP: & the DWP decision makers have to follow the Advice for Decision Makers (ADM) that @Wibbles linked to, which are based on the Social Security regulations, etc.
Do the assessors get it wrong, well yes in some ways this unfortunately happens as they have to try & 'fit' a claimant into that category of level of difficulty (or not), that they think appropriate as PIP, for example is a 'tick box' exercise with your assessment. As a neurosurgeon once said (well emailed) me, there's not one cookie size fits all. We're individuals with different needs, & therefore our own individual difficulties, & something like PIP won't capture these always correctly. The DWP will rely upon a PIP assessment if a claimant hasn't given appropriately detailed responses in their claim form; the assessment then becomes more important where the claimant's responses should matter the most.
As far as for those on CB ESA, this was only briefly mentioned in the 'Changes to benefits for disabled people.' A new contributory Unemployment Insurance benefit the Green Paper announced would be introduced from 2028-9 it said replacing both New Style Jobseeker's Allowance & New Style ESA. It will be time limited & paid at the rate of the ESA support group.
About the new premium in UC for claimants with the 'most severe, life long conditions who have no prospect of improvement & will never be able to work' the level of an additional premium for these claimants wasn't set out in the Green Paper, nor the eligibilty for this.
I don't know if they'll use this about 'severe conditions', tho this website mentioned this last month:
Quite honestly, I think Labour still remain vague about this, tho it does seem this is one possibility as @YogiBear seems to have alluded to. This is the latest mention of 'severe conditions' I could find from the Sept 2024 WCA handbook. You'd need to download the following, then go to Appendix 8 starting on p218:
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I wouldn't be suoprised if Labour put a stop to appeals especially tribunals. Many people are saying this is their next step. They really want us dead.
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are Labour intending to change the pip claim form/review form ?
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I have noticed Benefits and work have posted this today and this part i have noticed
about reviews. Not sure if they are doing them like they did back in 2023 with those who have not been reviewed for some time.
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The DWP has begun WCA reviews again. So existing LCWRA claimants may have their award reviewed before April 2026. But if you do not have a review before that date, or you maintain your LCWRA status when you are reviewed, then you will receive the pre-2026 claimant rate from April 2026.''
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/universal-credit-and-personal-independence-payment-bill-in-brief
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That’s the first time he’s actually spoken the truth 😂
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It was who said that and I stand by it . Not only are assessors liars and I gave my first assessment full of lies in black and white but even the call centre staff of Atos or whatever their new name is. I was booked for a recorded phone assessment but they called my 30 minutes before the start to say my assessor wasn’t equipped. They then said it was the DWP fault as they made the appointment which as far as I know the DWP do not .
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Right so WCA are back up now , I thought it wasn't until after April 2026
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I wonder, does this mean everbody is getting reveiwed as normal, or is it still just those who were pregnant at the time, recovering cancer patients, and others who may not be 'as poorly when first assessed'? Iv'e read things before on Benefits & Work site, and it put sheer terror in me until it turned out they hadn't put all the facts out there. It just says WCA are now continuing again, but for who, some or all of us??? One more thing to worry me again all day until I get correct details.
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Just a note on assessors and assessments. I know multiple companies are involved in this and I also don't want to tarnish every single assessor as some must be doing their best. But, based on my own personal experience (thus not hearsay from another person), the DWP did not look at the whole of my evidence until the tribunal. They looked at some of it in the MR stage, to cherry pick lines from it. But the assessor had not seen my evidence prior to the assessment. We were also told that this was common practice.
Admittedly this was in 2017, maybe it's changed. I did notice a better approach on my review, the person who did my paper based reassessment and such was actually very nice, and I didn't need to speak to them directly at all, just confirm my advocate was entitled to speak for me over the phone.
There was an article a while back - and I apologise that I haven't been able to find it - that due to the number of assessments and how much is paid per assessment to the company, there is a priority on scheduling back to back assessments and not giving assessors time to review other evidence. But there is also a well documented problem of people not assessing conditions they are familiar with.
Now this part is my speculation - but I noticed that there were several inconsistencies between my assessment recording and my assessment report, and also between the assessment report and the initial decision letter. On the recording, you can also hear the assessor typing in sections where, in the assessment report, nothing is recorded. So whether the assessment reports go through other stages of editing or are written up from notes by someone else before they reach the decision maker, to save time - I am not sure.
My assessor seemed very pleasant, if fixated on my physical mobility despite my not claiming for that. She also didn't really understand when I didn't understand a question, but I put that down to her not having autism training. However, when the assessment report section begins with (Amaya reports difficulty with x y z), clearly meeting the criteria for whatever point, and then ends with, "but I think Amaya can do this" and 0 points, it does feel a bit odd.All this said, I wasn't given my assessment report till tribunal. I wasn't made aware that I could. Maybe in 2017, I couldn't. No idea. So it may be different now. As I said, that part is speculation, just based on how odd and contradictory it sounds.
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Indeed
the part ''
The DWP has begun WCA reviews again''
who knows exactly what they mean by that it could be for all or for some. They do have huge backlog so perhaps they may review those as you mentioned.
the DWP have a habbit for swapping and changing there minds lol
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I thought so to Danny
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I agree so beautifully written welcome
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My experience with the first pip assessor was almost identical. She lied on the report about the only dr letter she acknowledged, the rest she ignored. My GP said it’s the first time he’s had his letter ignored and he went through my award letter and counteracted everything. She also wrote X says she can’t do this but I say she can zero points .
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But what I don't understand if your refused pip it goes on for 13 weeks then stops whilst currently it's on going until they make a decision?? So is MR stopping
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Oh OK gosh the world of politics good to know it happens then I thought this was a first thankyou
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Well they must be because three months money after refused pip means you'd have to go on jsa ??
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Today whenever your ready as this is more than draining it sucks you dry I've emailed my mp again and said you can either be on the right side of humanity or the right side of greed and destruction told him cut the act it's been proven by experts how this will effect people how many suicides and you still want to send the same message stating thewelfare system is broken we encourage people back to work there is no work !!! Especially for Dave who can't even wipe his own backside and feed himself STOP turning a blind eye and do the right thing a bit later I will house of commons did one this morning just saying pls help us drained
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I'm glad ITV doing reports from disabled people's side said on itv news could be up to 70 but who knows only good thing is labour third in polls never happened before of a party being in 300 days let's hope alot of them abandon ship starmer is definitely a dead weight gosh wasn't rayner viscous showed her true colours the dirty looks shouting oh hell no we don't want her either
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Oh OK still unfair thankyou yogibear hope your OK
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