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See below, released by the government today.
It is unacceptable that the government continues to withhold clear information about the criteria for SCC group eligibility. They have yet to specify which conditions will be protected, leaving the current document vague and unhelpful. This lack of transparency creates unnecessary confusion and anxiety for claimants who deserve clarity and fairness.
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Unfortunately despite my comment earlier today, the situation has continued throughout the day. Therefore I must temporarily pause this conversation whilst the matter is reviewed. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
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Afternoon all. A review has now been completed and a number of comments removed and members contacted.
I'm pleased to advise this discussion has been re-opened however please remember that tensions are high for everyone and posts need to be in line with house rules.
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I'm confused did goverment say this about themselves sorry my head all over the place
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Hi @Holly_Scope Today was a milestone on our journey together. Things become rocky at these points. There are so many changes proposed in the 2024-29 administration. Might the Mods consider having two threads?
- The contents progress of the Bill and its progress through parliament
- The consultative Green Paper and what happens after 30 June
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Hi @Zipz I'll raise this with the team first thing and we'll come back to you. Thank your for the suggestion. We want to make sure chats as split and clear for everyone ☺️
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I’d appreciate it if you explained what comments I made that were offensive, thanks
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Thank you.
I have been out all day enjoying the sunshine so I have no idea about what was said about disability benefits.
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Hi MW, So really there’s nothing extra in the reforms for us . The severe conditions criteria is confusing. They say 200,00 will qualify so that must mean they’ve decided on certain conditions . Yet part of the criteria is if you have a condition which is lifelong ( incurable). . I looked it up and fibromyalgia and ME combined is almost 150,00. So I can only assume they won’t count even though they can’t be cured . They also mentioned assessments for pip lcwra in a way that makes me think it will again be down to the discretion of the assessors and not NHS guidelines. We have light touch awards already but my Dr said they don’t have anyone on them at the surgery .
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is there an abridge summary on the planned cuts in the bill tabled today?
Also Labour releasing this bill and calling a vote before the consultation period ends tels you exaclty what they think of ordinary people's opposition to their democide.
Lol. So glad I don't fall for the consultation sham anymore.
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From politics home . I’ve never heard of them so can’t verify if the information is correct
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Would someone mind explaining in simple terms what is happening?
I’ve tried to read and understand from various places but I’m finding it difficult (emotionally as well as mentally!)
I understand that to get PIP you’ll need 4 points in one activity.I don’t understand what (if anything?) is happening to Universal Credit eligibility. I know some numbers are changing, it’s more the overall eligibility I’m concerned with.
I’m trying to figure out if I’d have any income left after these “reforms”. I know there’s nothing I can do and it’s not happening right away but it would be nice to have time to get an “oh no I’m completely losing my independence” plan together.
TIA, sorry I’m so bad at being concise :p0 -
Again been listening to the sky news podcast just now , the two that do it are always very calm and very informed and have alot of contact inside the commons , the lady has said she's had so many discussions with MPs and it's true it's been reported over a hundred are very worried about these reforms and apparently Liz Kendall and Timms have been chairing alot of mini meetings with MPs to try and reassure them , they basically need around 80 MPs within the labour party to mount a serious challenge to get these reforms chucked out , the women hosting this podcast was saying 43 MPs had signed a written letter saying they cannot back them , she said in theory there is more than enough of a rebellion to lead a very significant challenge to these cuts but basically she said saying you are against the cuts and actually voting against the government on this are too totally different things , unfortunately....she said these cuts are going to be very hard to stop and almost certain to go through ...... Again I've been saying this from the very start , anyone you listen to who's got a bit about them and is good at Thier job have been saying this exact same same thing .... These reforms are going through , I was of the opinion that if they do there would be some amendments , but from what they are saying now there may not be 😩 the poxy 12 weeks extra could be enough to get it through ....what a bunch of cowards
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So over a 100 know what they will do to people but can’t vote against as it’ll ruin their ride on the gravy train. Well they’d better get as many freebie’s as they can as in 4 years time they’ll be in the same position as us . Even the severe category is the same as the light touch we have now that they hardly award . So nothing new .
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- The PIP cuts and eligibility tightening is their first and foremost agenda, they will obviously stop at nothing to get this through.
- They're looking to leave the Green Paper situation up for debate, amendments and such as Autumn draws in and the Summer recess draws out.
We're fighting a two pronged attack so it will require emotional stamina to withstand this constant worry. On a positive note, I'm thankful, legitimately thankful to the people here who are nipping at the heels of MP's, Councillors, Human Rights orientated apparatus. Your courage and willpower gives other people like me courage and willpower.
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Absolute cowards , really does go to show what they really care about
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@Catherine21 New post from DPAC
Important update
The DWP have rescheduled their consultation on the disability cuts. The venue is now much more accessible and has better transport links.
This was the result of disabled voices calling out the injustices of the previous event.
The consultation is still unfair with the most controversial proposals not up for discussion.
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I predict that there's going to be a lot of MR and appeals happening when it comes to claimants who are going to be claiming/reassessed under the new PIP criteria (if the 4 point rule goes ahead). Hope DWP are prepared for it.
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Imagine waiting 14 years in opposition and Starmer comes along and ruins your career, cos that’s what will happen. Vote against, get kicked out and become a hero . Or vote for cuts , keep on the gravy train and in 4?years time leave under a dark cloud . I emailed Starmer and said in 4 years labour won’t even be opposition . You’ll be finished .
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Britain’s benefits system faces collapse without cuts to disability payments, Liz Kendall has said, as the government published plans that put it on a collision course with dozens of angry Labour MPs.
Kendall published her welfare reform bill on Wednesday, confirming it would lead to benefit cuts for 950,000 people by 2030. She said the country’s £326bn social security net might cease to exist if costs continued to escalate.
The bill includes several concessions designed to win over fractious Labour MPs as ministers look to ward off the biggest rebellion of Keir Starmer’s premiership. But the efforts were met with hostility by many in the party, who said they still intended to vote against the bill next month.
Kendall said: “Our social security system is at a crossroads. Unless we reform it, more people will be denied opportunities, and it may not be there for those who need it. This legislation represents a new social contract and marks the moment we take the road of compassion, opportunity and dignity.
“This will give people peace of mind, while also fixing our broken social security system so it supports those who can work to do so while protecting those who cannot – putting welfare spending on a more sustainable path to unlock growth.”
The bill will cut personal independence payments (Pips) for more than 800,000 people with disabilities, as well as carers’ support for 150,000 people who care for them. Claimants only able to wash half of their body or who are unable to cook a meal for themselves will no longer be able to claim Pips unless they have another limiting condition.
The cuts are at the heart of an overall package of nearly £5bn in welfare savings which ministers argue are necessary to protect the financial sustainability of the benefits system.
Kendall has tried to dispel widespread anger in the Labour party over the plans by introducing new concessions. Under the terms of the bill, people losing their disability benefits will get additional financial support for 13 weeks, while those with severe conditions such as heart disease or spinal injuries will not have to face reassessments.
The work and pensions secretary has set out a separate £1bn plan to help unemployed people get back to work, but this is not related to Pips, which are unconnected to employment status.
Whips are also issuing threats, and the deputy prime minister, Angela Rayner, refused on Wednesday to rule out the possibility of suspending any Labour rebels when the bill is put to a vote next month.
The mixture of concessions and threats did not appear to have won over wavering Labour MPs, however, and many went public with their criticism after the bill was published.
Rachael Maskell, the MP for York Central, said: “Having read the bill, it is clear that disabled people will lose significant support.
“The explanatory notes set out that 800,000 will not receive the daily living component of Pip by 2029/2030 and 150,000 will also lose their carers allowance. Poverty will be the legacy of this bill.”
Andy McDonald, the MP for Middlesbrough and Thornaby East, said the bill was “a huge attack on the incomes of disabled people”.
“MPs are being expected to vote these through whilst the green paper consultation continues, before the Pip assessment review is conducted, and without any evidence the separate employment support package – which is not in this bill – will work.
“This bill will be a yes or no on impoverishing disabled people. It’s a no from me.”
Those feelings were echoed by disability campaign groups and charities.
James Taylor, the director of strategy at the disability equality charity Scope said: “This bill will be catastrophic for disabled people. Cutting benefits will plunge hundreds of thousands into poverty. Over 800,000 will lose at least some financial support from Pip.
“It will have a devastating effect on disabled people’s health, ability to live independently or work.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/18/uk-benefits-system-could-collapse-if-payments-are-not-cut-liz-kendall-says
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