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I really think they are trying to squeeze the air right out of every disabled person no matter who that person is or what disability the person has. I truly believe they see us as a wholly obnoxious section of society that must be ''Dealt'' with one way or the other. Yes, the Tory rhetoric shines through on all these proposals and anticipated proposals. My Great Grandfather is no longer rolling in his grave he is hopefully walking amongst those in power who despise us so much and is going give them hell 😡

If they can't get you one way - they will do via another way…

Government figures say they will oppose reforms to personal independence payments and universal credit, while some believe the vote will have to be pulledOliver Wright, Policy EditorFriday June 20 2025, 9.10pm BST, The Times

Sir Keir Starmer faces a rebellion from frontbenchersANDY RAIN/EPA

As many as a dozen members of government are prepared to resign rather than support Sir Keir Starmer’s controversial welfare reforms, it has been claimed, as backbench critics accused ministers of betraying Labour values.A senior government figure told The Times that about 12 of their colleagues had privately indicated they would find it impossible to support the measures that are due to be voted on a week on Wednesday.Another leading opponent said that as many as 80 Labour MPs were “holding firm” in opposition to the plans and believed the government would ultimately have to pull the vote.• No concessions on benefits reform, Starmer tells rebels“If this goes through this will be our version of tuition fees,” they said. “The optics of taking away money from people who find it difficult to go to the toilet are terrible.”The government has a working majority of 165, meaning that 83 Labour MPs would have to rebel for Starmer to lose a vote.Whips are warning potential rebels that they will be blacklisted for any future government job for as long as Starmer is prime minister — even if they simply abstain. Anyone openly opposing the plans faces a threat of having the whip suspended entirely amid growing concern in No 10 that the vote could slip away from the government.But one government source suggested that contingency plans to pull the vote altogether were being prepared, in case Starmer’s team concluded that they did not have the numbers.Any move to back down would have implications for the government’s finances as the £5 billion of savings from the changes have already been “banked” by Rachel Reeves in the government’s spending plans.Those prepared to walk away from their jobs are understood to be a mixture of junior ministers and parliamentary private secretaries — the MPs who act as the eyes and ears of cabinet ministers in Westminster. A few are said to be new MPs only elected last year.On Thursday Vicky Foxcroft, the MP for Lewisham North, resigned as a government whip and said she could not vote for the reforms. “I have wrestled with whether I should resign or remain in the government and fight for change from within,” she told Starmer. “Sadly it now seems that we are not going to get the changes I desperately wanted to see.”• Three months’ grace for claimants about to lose disability benefitsMPs are due to debate changes to welfare on July 1, which include a tightening of the criteria for the personal independence payment (PIP), the main disability payment in England and Wales. Ministers also want to cut the sickness-related element of universal credit, and delay access to it, so only those aged 22 and over can claim.The package of reforms is aimed at encouraging more people off sickness benefits and into work, but dozens of Labour rebels said last month that the proposals were “impossible to support”.A number of MPs spoke out in support of Foxcroft after her resignation.Jonathan Brash, the MP for Hartlepool, said he had “utmost respect for her and her principled stand here”, adding: “She’s right. Our welfare system does need change, but the cuts proposed are not the right way to do it.”Connor Naismith, the MP for Crewe & Nantwich, added: “This must have been an incredibly difficult decision but she should be commended for standing by her principles. I agree with her that reducing the welfare bill is the right ambition, but cuts to universal credit and PIP should not be part of the solution.”Asked about the resignation on Times Radio, Lisa Nandy, the culture secretary said that it was “up to every MP to look to their conscience and vote the way that they believe is right”.“If you can’t stick with collective responsibility in government, you have to resign,” she said. “She’s done the honourable thing. It will enable her to have a voice.”UK

According to the UK government’s Department for Work & Pensions (DWP), the number of new Personal Independence Payment (PIP) claims has risen significantly in recent years:

• 41,000 new claims per month in 2019, increasing to 74,000 per month in 2024
  • That equates to roughly 2,467 new claims each day in 2024.

NB This is "claims" - not successful claims

Based on the most recent official DWP figures in the PIP Statistics to January 2025 report:

• As at 31 January 2025, there were 1.3 million DLA‑reassessment PIP claims in payment (out of a total caseload of 3.7 million) citizensadvice.org.uk+15gov.uk+15idolgu.in+15.

The DWP publishes monthly (for new PIP claims) and quarterly (for DLA reassessments → PIP) statistics reddit.com+1gov.uk+1. The latest quarterly volume isn't broken down by month in the publicly released data, but we can estimate:

• Between October 2024 and January 2025, if the number of DLA-to-PIP reassessments made steady progress (similar to the 24,000 in the quarter ending October 2024), that averages around:
  • ≈ 24,000 transfers per quarter
  • → ≈ 8,000 per month

However, this is necessarily a rough estimate, as exact monthly breakdowns aren’t published. The best available data uses quarterly totals.

A human rights lawyer threatening of no promotion and basically the sack if they don’t agree with him . In an employment tribunal he would be fined . He clearly doesn’t believe in democracy so should be disbarred.

What does contingency plans mean if it has to be pulled ? Do they mean scrap the whole bill ?

Remember when he said country before party during the election? Yet another lie

So if the bill gets scrapped before it goes to the vote they need to find another way of getting that £5 billion ?

yes, if the bill for whatever reason gets scrapped for good, they’ll have to find the savings elsewhere.

Seems to me if they shifting the goal posts so you can't score the points it's like them saying you were lying in the past.

If yer got pip before for the condition you have and now you don't but nothing has changed then the last years people didn't warrant it. Crazy.

Thanks Bella ,

I wonder if it’s all bs or starmer getting ready to stab reeves in the back again. 🙏🤞

I noticed daily express were posting articles about how to get pip etc days before the pip uc speech Wednesday.