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This is all about cutting social security payments to as many claimants as possible and nothing else.
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Your both points are spot on.
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In fact, all the three, as you've stated three points, are spot on.
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And means-testing is back on the table:
https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/ministers-are-secretly-considering-means-testing-pip-dwp-admits-despite-pledge-in-green-paper/
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I’m a bit confused as the descriptors in the schedule 7 are what is first needed for lcwra and they’re saying fog severe they need to be constant . So if say you pass with the mobility descriptor to pass as constant wouldn’t you have to prove you can only walk the distance constant and not have a good day ? My symptoms fluctuate throughout the day with no good days at all but that’s because I have several conditions all with symptoms that trigger each other if that makes.sense
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Yep and not even about saving money. Just hatred
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Wouldn’t changing descriptors have to go to the vote though ?
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How would that even work as pip leads to lcwra so would the reduce uc by the amount of pip ?
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Hi @secretsquirrel1 - it's just to my mind, & I have a somewhat medical background as a long retired physio (tho I still read about medical matters) that absolutely no-one will be the same from day to day as far as their symptoms go. This is all about the 'descriptors' in a life long condition that as far as medical knowledge currently goes is not going to improve. In your case there's no treatment that can help according to the NICE guidelines. Difficult for the DWP to go against that.
So, if the descriptor usually applies, & I can't see how the DWP can dispute this, then usually such a descriptor will normally 'constantly' apply.
I don't think the wording helps as they are avoiding the use of the word 'usually' (I think to avoid fluctuating conditions), but if you have been placed in the LCWRA group, I don't see how they can ascertain that any descriptor absolutely has to be 'constant' if you otherwise qualify with a life long condition that has been diagnosed by someone in the NHS.
To put it another way, the LCWRA descriptor is correct, & always will be (unless you report a 'Change of circumstances' & would be re-assessed & things therefore might change). The LCWRA is the constant, but this can't physically or mentally be for every minute of the day; it just wouldn't be possible.
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That's what I used to think.
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All they want is to legislate the 4pt based scoring system and cuts to LCWRA. The rest would follow without any major obstacles, if any.
They might even scrap the WCA earlier and ask people both new and existing claimants to be assessed via the new 4pt based PIP assessment from Nov. 2026 onwards, saying that since it's in place, why wait till 2028 to scrap the WCA.
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I really hope you’re right but it’s still unfair on those with fluctuating conditions. My main conditions of ME and fibromyalgia are constant every day in that I wake stiff and in pain due to fibromyalgia then if I over exert myself which is good for fibromyalgia I get PEM from ME. I have it written from a therapist 13 years ago I have to rest every 15 minutes to pace myself. Now I have cervical spondylitis so resting triggers that and the neck pain causes migraines. Plus pains down my arm yo my hands. I also suffer bad cramps I assume from fibromyalgia as bloods didn’t show anything. The leg pains are every day as is the fatigue. Yet I got a 2 year award increased by dwp to 3 years . The idea I could not only lose pip but be made to work is scary are its not possible. Thank you for your advice it’s much appreciated x
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I don't know but it's been mooted on a respected disability news site, repeated in B & W comments, and is now all over X, Facebook, Reddit. A move like this would wipe me out. I collapsed when I read this news. It's on YouTube now:
https://youtu.be/KbQgc7qNLG0?si=N0yNzhKmtdY0cKQC
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kier probably blackmailing MPs
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The only vote MPs need to be making is a vote of no confidence against starmer.
I know it will probably never happened anyway :(
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"Labour MP Liz Kendall previously said there are 1,000 new Pip awards every day – “the equivalent of adding a city the size of Leicester every single year”."
I assume this figure include teenagers coming off DLA and applying for PIP. If so, Kendall gives another false impression.
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I don't buy for a minute that there are that many people a day being awarded pip
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-Please check if the flashing light is working?
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