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I really don’t think they know what they’re doing. They just seem to look back at the Tory’s and copy them . I actually had a reply from starmers office a copy of days before the parliamentary talk last Wednesday. First thing they said was it’s the Tory’s fault. Gave a load of rubbish but whoever wrote it didn’t sign their name just from the office of …
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I really think they are trying to squeeze the air right out of every disabled person no matter who that person is or what disability the person has. I truly believe they see us as a wholly obnoxious section of society that must be ''Dealt'' with one way or the other. Yes, the Tory rhetoric shines through on all these proposals and anticipated proposals. My Great Grandfather is no longer rolling in his grave he is hopefully walking amongst those in power who despise us so much and is going give them hell 😡
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I could be wrong… but with the means testing PIP that seems to have come from a freedom of information request from the DWP. it could be that it was something that was considered by the DWP. I think by law it has to be shared, even if the idea itself was shelved.
It doesn’t mean that it might not happen in the future. Probably not now… labour can’t just slip it into the bill, or DWP just decide to implement it. I know DNS is a source of information for most of us, and is dedicated to disabled news, but it’s also a journalist outlet and they tend to sensualise news. It’s just scaremongering at this point making this time worse for us, not good for our MH.
We can only deal with the facts and put pressure on our MPs and respond to green paper by the 30th June.
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If they can't get you one way - they will do via another way…
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And they’re voting in assisted dying and scrapping vagrant laws to give us options ? How nice of them.
I’d prefer Tory’s over this lot . They spoke of doing thing but at the end of the day they held a full consultation and they didn’t make things water tight as this lot . You can tell Labour are serious where Tory’s just seemed to try to do something to stay in power .
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A dozen ministers could quit over Starmer’s disability welfare cuts
Government figures say they will oppose reforms to personal independence payments and universal credit, while some believe the vote will have to be pulledOliver Wright, Policy EditorFriday June 20 2025, 9.10pm BST, The Times
Sir Keir Starmer faces a rebellion from frontbenchersANDY RAIN/EPAAs many as a dozen members of government are prepared to resign rather than support Sir Keir Starmer’s controversial welfare reforms, it has been claimed, as backbench critics accused ministers of betraying Labour values.A senior government figure told The Times that about 12 of their colleagues had privately indicated they would find it impossible to support the measures that are due to be voted on a week on Wednesday.Another leading opponent said that as many as 80 Labour MPs were “holding firm” in opposition to the plans and believed the government would ultimately have to pull the vote.• No concessions on benefits reform, Starmer tells rebels“If this goes through this will be our version of tuition fees,” they said. “The optics of taking away money from people who find it difficult to go to the toilet are terrible.”The government has a working majority of 165, meaning that 83 Labour MPs would have to rebel for Starmer to lose a vote.Whips are warning potential rebels that they will be blacklisted for any future government job for as long as Starmer is prime minister — even if they simply abstain. Anyone openly opposing the plans faces a threat of having the whip suspended entirely amid growing concern in No 10 that the vote could slip away from the government.But one government source suggested that contingency plans to pull the vote altogether were being prepared, in case Starmer’s team concluded that they did not have the numbers.Any move to back down would have implications for the government’s finances as the £5 billion of savings from the changes have already been “banked” by Rachel Reeves in the government’s spending plans.Those prepared to walk away from their jobs are understood to be a mixture of junior ministers and parliamentary private secretaries — the MPs who act as the eyes and ears of cabinet ministers in Westminster. A few are said to be new MPs only elected last year.On Thursday Vicky Foxcroft, the MP for Lewisham North, resigned as a government whip and said she could not vote for the reforms. “I have wrestled with whether I should resign or remain in the government and fight for change from within,” she told Starmer. “Sadly it now seems that we are not going to get the changes I desperately wanted to see.”• Three months’ grace for claimants about to lose disability benefitsMPs are due to debate changes to welfare on July 1, which include a tightening of the criteria for the personal independence payment (PIP), the main disability payment in England and Wales. Ministers also want to cut the sickness-related element of universal credit, and delay access to it, so only those aged 22 and over can claim.The package of reforms is aimed at encouraging more people off sickness benefits and into work, but dozens of Labour rebels said last month that the proposals were “impossible to support”.A number of MPs spoke out in support of Foxcroft after her resignation.Jonathan Brash, the MP for Hartlepool, said he had “utmost respect for her and her principled stand here”, adding: “She’s right. Our welfare system does need change, but the cuts proposed are not the right way to do it.”Connor Naismith, the MP for Crewe & Nantwich, added: “This must have been an incredibly difficult decision but she should be commended for standing by her principles. I agree with her that reducing the welfare bill is the right ambition, but cuts to universal credit and PIP should not be part of the solution.”Asked about the resignation on Times Radio, Lisa Nandy, the culture secretary said that it was “up to every MP to look to their conscience and vote the way that they believe is right”.“If you can’t stick with collective responsibility in government, you have to resign,” she said. “She’s done the honourable thing. It will enable her to have a voice.”UK
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Very informative post thank you @alexroda.
"The optics of taking money away from people who have difficulty going to the toilet is terrible".
When I sent my 20 or so letters following the Green Paper in March, I wrote about my toilet habits 🤣🤣🤣 which are the bane of my life since Long Covid. It was politely worded/not graphic/5 bowel diagnoses, 27 additional others, but got no replies, only from my own MP who, whilst making sympathetic noises, I think is supporting the Bill. Maybe my letter/content made them feel ill. I can assure them the feeling is most definitely mutual! Thank you again, an interesting read 😊.
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According to the UK government’s Department for Work & Pensions (DWP), the number of new Personal Independence Payment (PIP) claims has risen significantly in recent years:
- 41,000 new claims per month in 2019, increasing to 74,000 per month in 2024
- That equates to roughly 2,467 new claims each day in 2024.
NB This is "claims" - not successful claims
Based on the most recent official DWP figures in the PIP Statistics to January 2025 report:
- As at 31 January 2025, there were 1.3 million DLA‑reassessment PIP claims in payment (out of a total caseload of 3.7 million) citizensadvice.org.uk+15gov.uk+15idolgu.in+15.
The DWP publishes monthly (for new PIP claims) and quarterly (for DLA reassessments → PIP) statistics reddit.com+1gov.uk+1. The latest quarterly volume isn't broken down by month in the publicly released data, but we can estimate:
- Between October 2024 and January 2025, if the number of DLA-to-PIP reassessments made steady progress (similar to the 24,000 in the quarter ending October 2024), that averages around:
- ≈ 24,000 transfers per quarter
- → ≈ 8,000 per month
However, this is necessarily a rough estimate, as exact monthly breakdowns aren’t published. The best available data uses quarterly totals.
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Rebels lives are probably being threatened not just their jobs.
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A human rights lawyer threatening of no promotion and basically the sack if they don’t agree with him . In an employment tribunal he would be fined . He clearly doesn’t believe in democracy so should be disbarred.
What does contingency plans mean if it has to be pulled ? Do they mean scrap the whole bill ?
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God I swear this and other things are really messing with my head, I'm seriously considering having my meds increased for the second time since the green paper came out just to stay sane. I'm living in a permanent state of utter dread and terror it's like they are purposely trying to drive us to the brink!
Let's all laugh at the irony of how much much this has cost 'working people' in taxes with my medication increases and extra doctors visits. I wish there was a way to see how much extrawe've had to use the NHS since this started
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Remember when he said country before party during the election? Yet another lie
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I think it’s referring to the planned savings of 5bn but I’m guessing
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So if the bill gets scrapped before it goes to the vote they need to find another way of getting that £5 billion ?
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I can’t believe the cheek of them all . Posing with waspi women then stabbing them in the back , claiming they’d scrap uc as it’s demeaning. Literally could go on all day with the things they’ve all said. Now in office they’re all completely the opposite. So why vote down everything the Tory’s did when they so obviously believed in the Tory ideals ?
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yes, if the bill for whatever reason gets scrapped for good, they’ll have to find the savings elsewhere.
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Not sure what to make of it but Daily express running two reports claiming Starmer would like to u turn but Reeves has added it in to her savings . I can’t post the link but wonder if it’s another “ leak “
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Seems to me if they shifting the goal posts so you can't score the points it's like them saying you were lying in the past.
If yer got pip before for the condition you have and now you don't but nothing has changed then the last years people didn't warrant it. Crazy.
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Keir Starmer needs £5bn to stop Labour civil war - but Rachel Reeves just spent it!
PM Keir Starmer is facing a massive revolt from Labour MPs that threatens his Parliamentary majority.
He’d love to buy them off, but thanks to Rachel Reeves, he can’t afford to do so. That's because the savings have effectively been spent, even before they're banked.
In a bid to plug the black hole in the nation’s finances, the Chancellor announced in her Spring Statement that she would slash £5billion from disability benefits.
That includes tightening eligibility for the personal independence payment (PIP), cutting sickness-related universal credit, and restricting access for under-22s.
The backlash has been fierce.
Critics claim the government is taking cash from people who struggle to get out of bed, let alone into work.
Around 80 Labour MPs may rebel, just short of the 83 needed to wipe out Starmer’s majority of 165.
At least a dozen government figures are threatening to resign if the vote, due on 1 July, goes ahead.
The mood is turning ugly as Starmer refuses to make any further concessions. Labour whips are getting tough, warning rebels they’ll be blacklisted from ministerial jobs.
Starmer has already been forced into a U-turn over the winter fuel payment. This time, though, Reeves has made that impossible.
The money’s already gone.
Don't miss... Rachel Reeves pushes us £17.7bn closer to bankruptcy - Labour calls it stability [LATEST]
Reeves has lost her grip on the nation’s finances. She left herself with just £9.9billion of fiscal headroom after October’s budget – despite pulling in £40billion of extra tax.
That’s because she spent an extra £30billion, and waved through huge public sector pay rises without asking for any productivity in return.
She borrowed £20.2billion in April, and another £17.7billion in May. Month by month, we are heading closer to bankruptcy.
Reeves is blaming the Tories, global instability and Trump tariffs, but this is her mess. The economy is shrinking, inflation refuses to fall and her tax hikes have backfired.
Her Budget national insurance raid on employers has helped destroy 275,000 jobs. Her clampdown on wealthy non-doms risks driving money and talent out of the country, and lose the Treasury more than it gains.
The Iran war is a wildcard, especially if it sends the oil price soaring.
Now the disability savings are on the line too. That £5billion has already been baked into her figures. Without it, her numbers don’t add up.
If Starmer backs down, Reeves will need to find the money from somewhere else.
Most experts already think further tax hikes are coming in October, possibly as much as £24billion to £30billion.
She may now need to add another £5billion to that.
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Thanks Bella ,
I wonder if it’s all bs or starmer getting ready to stab reeves in the back again. 🙏🤞
I noticed daily express were posting articles about how to get pip etc days before the pip uc speech Wednesday.
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