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Apart from those holding ministerial posts, the rest have no careers to lose. They might lose the whip but not their seats, which they'll even be likely to keep come the next GE when most of current Labour MPs will be at risk of losing their seats, most of Starmer's current ministers in the first place.
Instead, they risk losing their seats at the next GE by licking the boots of Starmer.
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And 4pts on one descriptor alone won't be enough. People will still have to score 12pts.
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I’m sure it’s the same amount of points we need now just one needs to be a 4 .
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You might be surprised how many MPs are 'on the payroll' as they call it.
Ministers (including whips), Parliamentary Personal Secretaries, trade envoy, mission champions etc. There are more than 170 MPs on the payroll.
I am sure that many who are not, have ambitions to be so.
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This is how I am personally interpreting the latest proposals. Other members may interpret them differently.
To meet the new Severe Conditions Criteria, a condition must be permanent, unchanging and diagnosed by a qualified NHS professional. This diagnosis must also be recorded in your NHS records. The aim is to bring greater consistency and reduce how much individual assessors need to rely on personal judgement in the most serious cases.
For general PIP, LCWRA and LCW decisions, the process will still involve evidence and assessments, so assessor judgement will continue to play a role.
One example you mentioned in your post is around needing prompting to eat. Assessors will consider whether you need help every time you eat. If, for instance, you are sometimes able to eat something like a biscuit on your own, that could be taken as evidence that support is not always required, which might affect your eligibility, as it is not a constant requirement to have assistance.
When it comes to mobility, I really cannot answer. Labour is planning changes, but they have not yet said how mobility will be treated under LCWRA or whether there will be changes to the mobility component of PIP in the revised system planned for November 2026.
I do know the Conservatives had previously suggested removing mobility from LCWRA altogether, arguing that remote work reduces the impact of mobility issues, as people could work from home. Labour has not confirmed their position on this, so until we see the revised criteria or hear more during the debate in Parliament on 1 July, it is hard to say how they will assess people with mobility issues under LCWRA, but I do know Conservatives were of the opinion mobility was not a barrier to work in the age of remote working.
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But they can't be kicked just like that because they've voted against their party's proposals. After all, Keir Starmer is not a proper ruler of an authoritarian regime with absolute power.
Starmer can kick one or two MPs out of their jobs in one form or another, but cannot kick a bunch of Mps out of their jobs. C'mon, we're not in a country with a dictatorial regime, where the ruler thinks they own the country!
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They can if there is a 3 line whip. Johnson kicked out 21 of his MPs.
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You're right, but I read from some people thinking that they would only need one descriptor with 4pts and that's it.
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MPs cannot be removed from Parliament just for voting against their party. If an MP votes against the party line (often called rebelling), they may face party discipline, but they still keep their seat and retain their basic salary of £93,904 a year as the elected representative of their constituency.
The most serious action a party can take is removing the party whip. This means the MP is expelled from the parliamentary party and becomes an independent MP. However, they still remain an MP and keep their salary unless they resign or are otherwise disqualified for inappropriate or criminal behaviour.
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If they remove mobility what descriptors fit conditions such as ME fibromyalgia long Covid etc where pain and fatigue are the main symptoms and are constant. There really needs to be descriptors for fatigue and pain specifically. It’s ok them saying work from home but you need energy to be able to do that . And it’s something that affects us all as being in pain makes you fatigued. Fatigue has no treatment and you can’t fight through it .
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A three-line whip is a very serious party instruction, but it does not give the party the power to remove someone from Parliament altogether. MPs who break it can lose the party whip and become independents, but they still retain their seat in Parliament, just not as Labour MPs.
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Oh god if only
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@secretsquirrel1 in answer to you no eating a biscuit without prompting, wouldn’t disqualify you from 4 points in “preparing food descriptor for needing prompting or assistance to prepare food.
According to ChatGPT:
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Hi rach ,
No I meant if a person needed prompting to eat , would constant mean anything they ate needed to be prompted or would it count if they ate a biscuit etc without prompting occasionally. Same as the walking descriptior . Is it going to be a trick that it’s not having the condition constant but the symptom .
I also notice that it said a high score such as 8 in each descriptor which isn’t true so how correct is the inline search ?
I think the prompting to cook is for pip but to get severe you have to get at least one descriptor in the lcwra first plus is has to be constant, so I guess no good days . If I’m correct as it’s all so complicated and I think it’s supposed to be to confuse. Worrying thing is if voting MPs have the same info as us they’re voting on something without all the details0 -
Buffoon Boris kicked them out of the Conservatives and banned them from standing for the party at a general election, not out of the House of Commons. Many of them kept their seats till last general election.
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Caroline Nokes, who was among the 21 MPs, is still an MP and for the same constituency.
Guess what - it's the buffoon himself who's no longer an MP.
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Bear in mind there'll be changes to the current descriptors.
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What the descriptors for lcwra
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If they were genuinely wanting reform they should have done a proper consultation and impact assessment. Then put it all to a democratic vote. What they’re doing is waiting to see if this passes then move the goalposts. So you need a 4 point then the 4 point descriptors are actually the 8 point descriptors. Surely it’s illegal to even do that as MPs are voting on the 4 point rule only for the rule to be changed afterwards without a vote. If he did bring that in it would be the end of pip and lcwra completely as not many even get a 4 now. But I’ve said they’ll do this for ages now. As soon as she said they’re looking at the assessments .
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