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  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 350 Championing

    The comment in the Times this morning from Reeves that the rebellion will 'devastate' the government.

    Maybe think of that before devastating disabled people's lives.

    This itself is not a no confidence vote, however. Voting on/against the welfare bill does not constitute a vote of no confidence in the government. There would have to be a vote of no confidence explicitly levelled at the government in order for that to happen.

    The Labour MPs opposing this bill have not necessarily opposed Starmer on other bills, and are not necessarily of the mind to call a vote of no confidence. They also have a good majority, so I think if it did come to that stage, Labour MPs would protect their own interests and vote against the motion.

    This is scaremongering to try and frighten the rebels back into line. It's pretty disgusting but I don't suppose it will work if nothing else has.

    The answer for Starmer is to back down and scrap the bill, engage with disabled people in a full consultation, invest in employment equality and then come back to the discussion in a year or two.

    If there is an election, by the way, it is very bad news for us given Reform's surge in the polls and Farage's desire to eradicate the majority of the welfare state, as well as equality legislation. Labour even in their current state are a safer option because there are so many Labour MPs trying to change the rhetoric.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 254 Empowering
    edited June 25

    Mel stride taking on Rayner at 12 at prime minster questions 👀

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing

    You’re so right Amaya, our best chance is unfortunately Labour . I hope this removes starmer and someone less hateful replaces him

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,290 Championing

    The idea that the Tories are “helping” Labour pass welfare reforms is baffling. It is hard to see how anyone could reach that conclusion. Kemi’s so called offer is not genuine support, it is a political trap tied to a hardline wish list, deeper welfare cuts, a tax freeze, and forcing more people into work. Starmer would have to accept her ultimatums just to secure Tory votes. If he agrees, it would be political suicide.

    We will not have long to wait. At PMQs today, Kemi will almost certainly press her demands in public. If Starmer is going to accept, she wants his pledge made openly and on her terms. In just a couple of hours, we will see whether we are about to witness a Labour/Tory pact on welfare reforms. If Starmer gives in to Conservative terms, he risks turning Labour’s internal tensions into open warfare. I suspect next weeks vote could well be delayed while Kier tries to win back the Labour rebels with concessions.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing

    If he accepts her offer he’s basically admitting imo that he’s actually more aligned with Tory policies than Labour . Maybe if they oust him he can join the Tory’s though I doubt they’d want him

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,257 Trailblazing
    edited June 25

    Fantastic post. Labour has the majority to anticipate two terms. A cautious and compassionate, non-rushed approach was the way to go. It could have been so different.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 254 Empowering
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,648 Championing

    Matter of speech how to put it if I'm not clued up on things let's hope it all works out

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,257 Trailblazing
    edited June 25

    In a useful nutshell: advice to MPs as to what to expect at the Second Reading:

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  • Jamk85
    Jamk85 Online Community Member Posts: 41 Empowering

    ''

    Cabinet ministers have been given lists of Labour MPs to ring. Hit the phones and twist the arms, are the instructions from the prime minister to his senior team.

    But, so far at least, it isn't working.''

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing

    Just now in the guardian

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing

    Also the guardian

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing

    I think Mel stride is standing in for Kemi . According to the guardian Corbyn on the list to ask a question

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing
  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 577 Championing

    Andy Burnham would be much better than the current prime monster. He nowadays identifies as a socialist and as belonging to the party's soft left, even though he once identified as being on the Blairite wing of the Labour Party.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing
  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 577 Championing

    Starmer won't be replaced by anyone and will finish out his term in office. This is due to the fact that Labour are not known for bringing their government down or tabling votes of no confidence against their governments, and that Keir Starmer was put to power and is still backed by the tiny group led by T. Blair that owns Labour Party. Since 1997, Labour Party has become an organisation owned by individuals. Unless you're supported by this group, it's extremely hard, if not impossible to become a Labour PM, and this is the main reason why J. Corbyn and E. Miliband couldn't make it, because not only were they not supported by this group, but also this group openly fought against them in order to fail them. I like Sadiq Khan and he's also my mayor.

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering
  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 227 Empowering

    Kendall didn’t look happy during questions

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 308 Empowering

    Pippa Crerar - The Guardian - latest post on X.

    NEW: Angela Rayner says the government *will* press on with vote on welfare reform bill next week despite huge rebellion. "We will go ahead on Tuesday," she says, after telling them Labour wouldn't "walk away" from millions trapped in the failing system.