Goverment concession to force the green paper through
Hi, from what I have read tonight in The Guardian, the government are offering the backbench rebels a new watered-down green paper where the cuts will only apply to new claimants, so what does this mean? If you currently have a 5-year award, you won't be touched?, but once your review is due, you will be? Or does it mean you are protected here in in if you are a long-term current claimer? It's very confusing, all this.
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Also, what happens to those like me, who are still on DLA, but are fearing being asked to transfer to PIP? The changes being spoken about on the TV tonight make me feel that my lifelong disability will mean nothing when it comes to the change.
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this is how i read it, people who are currently claiming disability payments will keep there benefits but people who are about to claim who have never claimed before will have new measures
thats how i have read it
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That's my understanding of it as well. Also i assume as current claimants, when uts time to review pip award, as its still a current claim, we won't have to meet the atleast 4 points in one descriptor to qualify for daily component. What I'm not sure about is there's something about Starmer agreeing for minister over reforming the eligibility criteria to work with disabled activists - will this new criteria also apply to existing claimants when it comes to reviewing pip, completing and ESA/UC 50? Also is the contribution based ESA saved?
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at least there is movement in a positive way
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As always with government, the devil will be in the detail.
They're still attempting to ram this through in a shortened timeframe, and as a money bill.
That means scrutiny will be minimal, so we need knowledgeable MPs to be on the ball for all the sneaky wording/tricks the likes of Starmer/Reeves/Kendall will attempt.
This is where the unions need to really step up and refuse to finance them. If this u-turn can be taken at face value, it's those who are currently healthy/employed who will be affected by this "new" proposal if when they become ill/disabled.
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I hope this is right because I just got my review award and have enhanced on both but no 4 points in daily living . I struggle like most here with anxiety and PIP reviews make my mental health so bad and it's bad to start with , so this would be amazing.
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Not sure about that pal tbh
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Well it is a move in the right direction then and and if true will safeguard existing claimants
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Don't quite understand the meaning of your last bit sorry
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Existing claimants? Isn't that an I'm all right, Jack attitude? People out there are terrified for the future of their disabled children.
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That is at least how it appears to read but I don't see how that could work fairly. It would mean someone who doesn't score a 4 now in one category but is already in receipt of benefits continuing to receive them but someone who suddenly find themselves in exactly the same state of disability but is a new claimant not qualifying. Surely when you have to fill out all your forms every four years they will treat them all the same. As new claims.
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No, not at all; it's far from an 'I am alright, Jack' attitude. It was merely a question I asked in relation to the government decision to back down on some aspects of the green paper, which would affect me. If that is an 'I am alright, Jack' attitude, then so be it, but just for the record, I don't agree with any of these cuts, and I think it is disgusting what Starmer and the government are trying to do, and I personally think the whole proposed bill should be scrapped altogether.
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Hi, no, from what I can gather, you would have protection; your review would be assessed on the old points scoring system and not the new proposed one. Hope this helps.
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So on the old points system you did not need to score a 4 then so you would still qualify if a long term existing claimant? As it happens I do score a 4 in one area but its just a flick of a pen at assessment I guess to downgrade that. If you are right then that should not matter for me I think you are saying. Whilst that makes me less worried personally it hardly seems fair to others.
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Hi, yes, from what I can gather, this would be correct; existing claimants would be reviewed using the existing system that was originally used to assess them. And yes, hardly good news for new claimants. This whole attacking the disabled is disgusting to the core, and none of it should even be being considered in the first place.
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wondering what will be taken off the pip review form , they are talking about removing the eating and bathing daily living , will there a different form for existing and new claimants with a different set of questions on eating and bathing . Hope they are not going to be sneaky with this so we still do not qualify ?
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Let's hope not. Personally, I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.
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Neither do I , but in my defence it was only 5.55 and I'd just woken up ๐
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Ha ha .
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Its a shame we still have people who dont understand how it was going to work.
So basically the original idea is your original award would be honoured, but come your first review after Autumn 2026, you would have been assessed under the new criteria.
The change means now all your future reviews (at least until the next set of welfare reforms inevitable after a government change) will be under the criteria that we have now, so no 4 point descriptor requirement.
I also agree with the earlier posters, dont trust this party leadership at all, especially Reeve and Kendall, the only thing confirmed is that the 4 points change is whats being amended, but there is further PIP descriptor changes planned later to come, I havent read anything yet that says this change will apply to that as well.
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