Green Paper and Benefits Reform Updates
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Having fought resolutely for everything for the last 42 years and lost the greatest thing to have ever happened to me in 2023. I’ve been wanting to fight these imminent and impending downgrading of our benefits and I have signed petitions alongside writing to my local PM. But frankly after the endless fight I’ve put in over the last five years, I’m just spent, done and tired of fighting. I have just quietly accepted that no matter what happens Labour along with all parties will force this change through, then it will be forced through by the House of Lords.
I’m scared of 2027 as that’s the year my PIP is up for renewal or they will check on me 😔 I’ll freely admit that if things stay the same, I’ll just carry on living an isolated existence and if I lose out, then I’ll take my own life and end the decades of suffering I’ve wrought on myself and others by breathing, thankfully my funeral plan will be active by that year.
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We've won
The government has backed down...
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To me, it feels less like they've backed down and more like they've just kicked the can down the road for a few years.
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We haven't won.
Even us existing claimants will still be reassessed.
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I agree.
This is not clear or satisfactory.
The battle is far from over.
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Yep. This.
If not this term then the next, whoever is in Government.
I'm totally against the proposed changes and targeting the vulnerable in society, but the pragmatist in me does realise that something has to be done about the spiraling costs.
What I don't know … above my pay grade.
I've chuckled to myself through all of this. When I first got injured I couldn't get any benefits, turned down for PIP twice. Once I'd exhausted my savings and insurance payout over nearly 3 years: before being able to claim IR ESA (before New Style) I was awarded PIP straight away … enhanced on both with the same conditions, evidence. And sailed through reviews. Doesn't make sense.
One thing I will say, the last 2 assessors I've seen and the one Decision Maker I've spoken to for a paper based since starting to get PIP … very human, very empathetic
It's the MP's out of touch … some of them anyways
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Dynamic Duo Uk have released a new video. The comments are disappointing to say the least. Existing claimants are on there celebrating, but are not thinking about new claimants. Whilst we'll be protected, for new claimants, this will be brutal!
The fight is far from over!
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WHo is Dynamic Duo please? WHere can we see them?
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So after lots of speculation and rumours about 'concessions' over the possible revolt of Labour MPs on the reform bill, I read this on the Guardian what the concessions will be (but I'm not sure if I completely trust either reporting or the govt on this)
Essentially it seems to boil down to: Those of us on PIP won't be affected by the new reform bill laws (esp 4 points I hope) but any new applicant will face these tough new rules. Also I think the bill will now have to be drafted in consultation with disability charities.
The Guardian article is here:
Personally, I'm very, very sceptical over this, and to me, even IF this is true and I end up being protected from the reforms as I current get PIP, it's still fundementally unfair and cruel to anyone who could become disabled/sick.
Also I no longer trust the government a millimeter. I don't care if this was 'humilating' for them, if they look weak, they never, ever, ever should've tried to ram this through, and gave absolutely no sympathy or empathy from the millions of us - disabled, sick and our loved ones who's lives will/would be wrecked by this reform bill. It also, to me, shows a profound lack of understanding - or interest - in our lives, struggles etc which I think again is a product of the Westminster bubble. But Keir Starmer had family members who struggled with disbailities and I cannot for the life of me understand how lacking in empathy he is - that until the eleventh hour and facing the bill being rejected he repetedly refused to listen to anyone.
I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on these apprant concessions. Are they enough for you? Should it go further? Does it offer any resbite over the stress this has caused us all for months? What do you think about the concessions themselves? What do you think will happen to the reform bill itself and do you think it'll unravel further down the road (like the Winter Fuel that actually got passed about a year ago).
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The amount of stress they have put us all through can’t just be brushed away. An apology would be nice! Whilst I’m relieved about the concessions for myself I’m still against the bill as it’s so unfair. It’s still about cuts and not reform and my level of trust in politicians is extremely low
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Thank you for that. I will check it out.
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Hi everyone, you can’t trust their word. Unfortunately. They are rich and are completely ignorant/deluded on what life is like to live on a small income let alone what life is like when you have a disability. They lack both empathy and understanding. I’m not convinced at all. They will just find another way to penalise us. It certainly won’t affect their bank accounts that’s for sure. Watch this space!
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I am in severe brain fog mode so need help understanding.
What has actually happened? Have they dropped the bill for now?
Or have they suggested changes that need to be added to the bill and pushed through later?
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That is the reason I do not sub to that channel anymore Ironside. The comment section is nasty at times, really nasty especially towards pensioners 😡 and it put me off. I subbed there when Rich and Cara more or less started the channel, it was really nice, they did cover a little DWP but also did caravanning and days out, holidays abroad etc, I enjoyed it. I know folk say Rich used to work for DWP but personally I have never heard him say that, that's not to say he hasn't. The tone of the channel has changed a lot over the last year or so and its not for me anymore.
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This bill must be rejected in its current form. If MPs have accepted the so-called offer of temporary concessions, it raises serious concerns about their understanding of the impact or willingness to scrutinise the changes. The concessions do not fix the core injustice.
I hope MPs who have already rebelled, and those still considering their stance, can see through this and stand up for a fairer, more compassionate system.
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We can but hope MW, however, it seems many believe its all over and all is well with the world, we both know that is not the case at all.
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News
Questions the government needs to answer – and MPs need to ask
Published: 27 June 2025
One of the major issues with the Pathways to Work Green paper is the number of questions it leaves unanswered. But now, with the government’s hastily created “concessions”, things are even more unclear. Especially whether the concessions mean current claimants are permanently protected or have just been granted a temporary reprieve.
Below are a number of questions, some of which you might want to ask your MP before Tuesday’s vote, because they should be clear what they are voting for. Or you may have others you want to ask. The important thing is to keep reminding MPs that there is still the option of voting to scrap the bill on Tuesday, regardless of any concessions offered.
But do bear in mind that many Labour MPs who signed the amendment have said they are still going to vote against the bill, as will many opposition MPs, so your MP may still be an ally.
In her letter to Labour MPs Liz Kendall writes: “Therefore, we will ensure that all of those currently receiving Pip will stay within the current system. The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.”
This implies that current claimants will not be protected from the results of the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, due to make changes to PIP eligibility criteria in 2028. Given that the governments overriding concern is to halt the rising cost of disability benefits, the review can only result in a tightening of eligibility criteria – quite possibly including retaining the four-point rule . So, this concession may be no more than a short reprieve for current claimants.
Q. Will existing PIP claimants stay on the current test for life or be subject to the new criteria created by the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, to be completed in 2028?
Many thousands of adult DLA claimants are still waiting to be reassessed for PIP through no fault of their own. If things had run to the original timetable they would by now be PIP claimants and protected from the 4-point rule.
Q. If current adult DLA claimants, awaiting reassessment for PIP for many years, are finally dealt with after November 2026 will they be assessed under the current rules or the new 4-point rules?
Kendall writes “. . . we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element . . . have their incomes fully protected in real terms.”
How long does this protection last?
Q. Around 600,000 current UC health element claimants do not receive an award of the PIP daily living component. When the WCA is abolished in 2028 and receipt of PIP daily living becomes the qualifying criteria for UC health element, will they continue to have their income protected? Or is the protection only temporary?
If your MP is one of the Labour rebels, they may be considering withdrawing their name form the amendment, as a number have already said they will.
Q If you are considering withdrawing your name from the reasoned amendment, does this mean that you are resigned to many thousands of future claimants being plunged into poverty, even though you think it is wrong for current claimants?
Kendall writes in relation to the review of PIP assessment criteria: “At the heart of this review will be coproduction with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and MPs so their views and voices are heard.”
Q. If it’s important that the views and voices of disabled people are heard in respect of future changes, why are their voices not important in relation to the enormous changes in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill?
Q. If the main aim of the government is to put disability benefits on what they view as a sustainable footing, by cutting the rise in costs considerably, what possibility is there of disabled people genuinely being listened to as PIP criteria are rewritten?
Q. The PIP four-point rule does not come into effect until November 2026, almost a year and a half away. So why is it so important to get the legislation through the Commons in the next two weeks, without consulting on it?
Q. Given that there are so many unanswered questions about the proposed reforms, and that the government is already going to have to find £3bn to fund their concessions, would it not be wiser to scrap the whole Green Paper process and start again in genuine coproduction with disabled people?
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We understand you must all have a lot of questions regarding the potential changes to the green paper and we want everyone to be able to have their say. But to make things easier on us all, we're closing down individual discussions and asking you all to join in with the official announced thread. We hope you understand.
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