Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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People should really start enquiring on how much other European countries spend on disability benefits.
Some disabled person can get more than £3000 (and that’s a low calculation) a month in countries which have lower living costs.
If you don’t, you will never realise the pittance we receive in the UK in comparison.
And some are still defending the government cuts due to misinformation/withheld information etc, it’s really sickening.
I wonder which group of people will be brought forward next to the line of fire to be used as a scapegoat to hide the incompetence and corruption of the people in power.
Britain is an extremely wealthy country and no one should be poor, nor resort to food banks, nor lack the care they need, nor be homeless etc
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Let’s take for instance this grotesque new Employment Insurance the government want to bring in.
They are offering a staggering amount of little more than £400 for those who have been fired from a job or have become too ill to work.
I think it’s unclear for how long this pittance will be paid. I seem to remember reading that they were suggesting 6 months.
In other European countries is about £1200 a month and lasts for TWO years. After those two years if you are still too ill to work you can get further help, which could amount to thousands of pounds a month, plus council housing etc.
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How do you work that out? A PIP claimant in a good job could easily have savings of £16K plus. Therefore, no UC.
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@Catherine21 No. The Speaker doesn't have to accept ammendments tabled.
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This is the real horror of it, combining normal Jobseekers with disabled people in the ESA Support group who have been medically assessed in the same way as those on PIP, just as if they are equal. This is will lead to poverty and suicide. It’s pure evil.
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That side yes I can see but if the DWP played fair on genuine claimants with evidence loads of evidence that would be very confident thier doing the right thing but nah they target a majority of claimants who are obviously entitled and still make them suffer and jump through hoops
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They made everything a mess absolute mess so was that a consultation they arranged in your area ?
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I’ve written to my MP Louise Elizabeth Jones, twice now, and her replies are that she’s towing the Starmer line. Enjoy being an MP while it lasts dear.
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There is no way there is that many people a day getting awarded pip , that is that silly rehtoric that they roll out when they get stuck trying to defend themselves , absolute rubbish
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Other groups already have. Trans people have effectively lost legal rights and safe access to services, and asylum seekers are also facing similar barriers.
the other things you've outlined are why i, as a disabled person who's currently able to look towards working, seeka to move abroad long term. i suspect a lot of younger brits - even ableds - will do the same.
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How many people assessed as disabled enough to receive PIP do you think have built up savings in excess of £16,000 to disqualify them from UC? I would say it's an argument for means-testing PIP if there are significant numbers of people stashing away hundreds of pounds a month in savings, but I'm confident it will be a minuscule number at best.
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They are ONS figures, independent of government spin.
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Attacking 😂 Wow sensitivity overload 🙄
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The number would be tiny, but we'll never know as money is quite a taboo subject in this country. the majority of PIP claimants who work won't talk about it openly if they aren't involved in disability rights.
I suspect PIP is more likely to have helped disabled people build up any form of savings to begin with. Most likely just an emergency fund, though, not investing.
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It's a really tough balancing act for governments. I do know the current PIP assessment system is really tough, especially on new claimants who will often get a 0 point score, and need to know about appeals and tribunals to get a fair hearing. This is where I think the chancers proceed happily to a successful tribunal outcome, and many really vulnerable and disabled people fall out of the system through just giving up without even knowing their rights.
But how could you fix the assessment system in order to get better results, without letting even more fraudsters through at the expense of taxpayers?
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All, please can we keep this civil. We appreciate that tensions are incredibly high, but we are becoming increasingly concerned about some of the communications between members on this discussion. The last thing we want to do is to pause this chat at such an important time…
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If the government doesn't know, they soon will since they've granted themselves the rights to go on fishing expeditions through our banks and savings accounts. 😎
Saving a bit of money from PIP for future unexpected events is really smart. Being able to save up in excess of £16,000 would be pretty distasteful for taxpayers who are living paycheque-to-paycheque with basically nothing in the savings pot. But yeah, I definitely don't think many of the 16% of PIP claimants working will have saved anything like £16,000 to disqualify them from UC.
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