Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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I agree with this post too! Been going on years and as I have said, this is causing all the upset now for genuine disabled people. You only have to look at the increase in numbers on ill health benefits since lockdown to realise something amiss is going on or happening. Disgusting and the government should be investigating all PIP claims since the start of lockdowns when face to face appointments were halted. These people have ruined a good benefit system for the disabled and now governments have to act!
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Thank you for the update @MW123 - &, it was as you rather hoped, a small group of you that could get across your very genuine concerns.
I've looked again at the proposed UC & PIP Bill & note it says that a PIP claimant will be entitled until 'immediately before the first day (if any) on which [the claimant] is entitled to the daily living component as a result of a subsequent determination.'
This I presume means if a claimant is awarded by a Tribunal, which isn't a change from the current regs (apart from the daily living bit), but am wondering if this will also be the case if this Bill goes ahead with it's 'protections' for current claimants. Perhaps another question to ask next week.
Overall, incredibly good of her to arrange a meeting to discuss things openly, & it sounds like she really listened.
I look forward to hearing more tomorrow.
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I agree here too. Once the proposed changes are voted on and go through, Reeves will really get started. I am sure there are "next" phases as the ill health benefits increase since lockdown is costing £34billion not her so called £5billion....
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We have no idea of the health of these new applicants, so I wont be joining in on this judgement of people and claiming they fraudsters.
What we do know on the other hand that mental health care in this country is almost non existent, social care has been run down to its bones, and that access to treatment on the NHS is so bad we have claimants routinely using private health care to get things done.
If you want an answer as to why claims have gone up, its because we have ran down the services that are designed to keep people healthy mentally and physically.
During covid it was repeatedly reported that the NHS was in a much worse state than other countries, but the country seems to have a short memory, its all being forgotten.Even things like closing libraries, community centres, that sort of thing has an impact.
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Hi @Trevor_PIP - may I draw your attention to this article by the New Economics Foundation if you wish to learn some 'facts':
I agree that there are some people on Social Media who say they aim to help people claim benefits, & want paying for doing so. I hope you'd agree with me however that there's good, impartial info on here, Benefits and Work, MSE, turn2us, pipinfo, etc. that's freely given by people who try to give credible links to the info they post. Thankfully this all outweighs those trying to make money out of some people looking for benefits advice.
Please read the article, thank you. I'd also be interested to know where you get your 'facts' from.
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I never said all claimants since lockdown, but it is clear working on averages over time the UC and PIP systems must be being gamed or fleeced at a time face to face meetings were halted. Point on NHS waiting lists etc. It is the sheer cost of the increases since lockdown, it is not £5 billion it is £34 billion and unsustainable.
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Thanks and I will read the attachment. Yes, I agree there are good charities thst give free advice and help people with their claims. Being honest, it the sheer increases in claims since lockdown that makes people think there is something amiss. It has increased by 2/3 in what - about 5 years. I am not saying all are gaming the system but on averages it points out something is amiss and unsustainable. I am thinking of genuine disabled people who should get their benefits without the current cruel system when I type these posts.
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Sorry its not clear at all, I am not one of these idiot reform voters who goes by word of mouth, or makes assumptions about people. It is quite logical, if you let public services run down, then the population becomes more ill.
Also bear in mind there is legitimate cases getting turned down, they learn they worded the form wrongly, didnt understand the descriptors, reapply and then get accepted. Cost of living changes have also likely led to an increase of claims. Where people have realised they need financial help. On paper I qualified for 5 years before I made my claim. I didnt claim earlier as I didnt need the money.2 -
They can just tax the super rich a bit more, they don't have to cut benefits or make them harder to get.
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Kindly read the article before commenting further @Trevor_PIP - personal opinion or indeed a person's perception is one thing, but members of this community are asked to not present opinion as fact.
I feel like I should make an apology, but simply can't, as I find the spreading of misinformation a real concern even when it comes from someone like yourself, or perhaps even more so, as I see you otherwise genuinely helping our members.
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these are concessions are not concessions at all if at your next review you would be subject to the 4 point rule.that was always the way it was going to work and saying current claimants will be exempt and only apply to new claims is a lie if after november 2026 currrent claimants will be subject to the 4 point rule.that is what was going to happen before these concessions so current claimants will not be protected if thats the case and the pip cuts will be exactly as they were going to be.
also current lcwra claimants were never going to have they're money cut in 2026 but would have a freeze on the rate.the way i see things is there are no concessions as there doesn't seem to be any protections for anybody apart from the 200,000 who get in the scc group and be spared reassessment.
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the 4 point pip rule im referring to if what the mp said is correct.
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I am not one of those idiots either if you don't mind... I have investigated the increases in benefit claims etc before I typed about it on this forum. I also know young people that claim LCWRA that train regularly in gyms and can lift colossal weight. They use steroids to build huge muscular frames. The benefits systems are being fleeced and the DWP know they are, hence more investigators have been employed and claimants bank accounts checked. You have a point about cost of living but would these people claim ill health benefits?
The increases in working age claiming ill health benefits since lockdown is costing £34 billion not Reeves so called £5 billion and is unsustainable. There is definitely something amiss as it has never been seen previously. There were 1/4m claims for PIP the first quarter of this year, when once it was no more than 45k.
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I have read the article and the figures quoted are different to what I have read and investigated. The increases in working age claiming ill health benefits since lockdown has gone up by 2/3 and is costing £34 billion not the £5 billion Reeves is claiming back. This is why the Conservatives wanted to go further. I am not spreading misinformation, it is known by the DWP that benefits systems are being fleeced and they are employing more investigators to catch the perpetrators, even checking claimants bank accounts which has started and I thought was for UC but I have been informed PIP as well from the bank itself. Everything I type has been investigated. Thank you for your kind words.
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