Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    I remember my reading about the Afro-American / Black civil and human rights struggle in the USA.

    I cannot remember who said it, it might have been MLK, or his colleagues in the struggle.

    But the very valid point was made.

    If we can be joyous in the struggle against racism, or any oppression, not hate our oppressors, not to have enemies, and to not let our hearts be penetrated by the darts of hatred and bitterness, if we can rise up to this high, moral and spiritual ground in our political quests for freedom, we are much more likely to win equality and compassion.

    Now that development of peace of mind, joy in the struggle, cogency, for anger destroys Spock logicality, and clear thinking, is not easy.

    However it is very worthwhile, if we use baby steps to gradually reach that high and deep level of of effective struggle. Use your own techniques, methods, or non methods, of other religions or none, secularity, if you want to research mindful techniques/ mindfulness in struggles for equality, then just Google the latter.

    BUT whatever you do do not beat yourself up, if you cannot reach such a high level, yet.

    It takes times. I can but I am not better than others at all. I have 26 years of Buddhist practices. There is no pint in more suffering with feeling inadequate, guilty anxious and stupid, or even suicidal. And I still have the latter feelings they just gradually get less and less.

    Be very tender with yourselves, your sufferings are valid inthat there is a reason for everything (karm/cause and effect). Lok after yourselves. And look after others too. We all need compassion even our 'enemies' who also suffer from unethical social conditionings too, and of course it does not mean prejudice is OK, it just means we absolutely refuse to respond with hatred, attacks, bitterness, because hatred does no work, and hatred poisons the soul destroying joy and happiness?

    Joy

    Let us live in joy

     in hope even amongst the despairing.

    Let us live in creativity.

     in flexibility even amongst the cynical.

    Let us live in freedom

    in wider visions of compassion even amongst those in the prison of despair.

    Let us live in determination

    in clarity even amongst the hopeless and depression.

    Let us live in truth amongst those who lie and deceive.

    Let us live in kindness, in a world that can be so cruel.

    And yet so wonderful too.

    Let us see the best things in life, not the worst and depressing.

    Let us all be a united human spirit for inner peace and world peace.

    Let us be unstoppable in our love, inspiration and compassion.

    Let everyone be generous, the best in themselves, and forever growing.

    Let opportunity for compassion and wisdom be given a chance.

    Let joy and peace reign, be nurtured by the friendship, even of strangers.

    Let there be joy, less suffering, let there be ecstasy, calm as a placid lake, or sea.

    Let there be joy, more joy, increased joy.

    Let there be nirvana.

    Let there be Bliss, Sugata, let there be Joy.

    © Milan Ghosh.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    RE the comments re there is no way 1000s of people can become disabled every year - 365000? Well we need research from the ONS, and perhaps SCOPE in alliance with other disability charities, and advocacy groups, could commission our own disability led, independent research too?

    Why not?

    Otherwise we are at the mercy of groups that do not fully recognise disability-led definitions of ourselves, and disability first values.

    Does SCOPE or other charities have such research already re disability statistics.

    I google how many and elderly people there are in the UK population of 67 million people.

    11m pensioners, and 16.1 m disabled people.

    The UK population, like the world's, is rapidly ageing so the number of people be going on PIP could be high - but we need to commission research can SCOPE do this please?

    With clear and valid disability-led research we will have more of case to promote the rights of disabled and distressed people, with regard to a case for continued benefits or not.

    This will thus be part of a clear vision, a clear voice in advocating any aspect of our struggle for equality, justice and freedom.

  • judie
    judie Online Community Member Posts: 335 Empowering

    Are you including the high number of tax payers who cheat the system or use loopholes? Or do you believe all tax payers are honest and beyond reproach?

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,116 Pioneering

    wiki:

    During the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, Starmer adopted soft left political positions, and described his politics as being "red-green".

    but

    redgreen.jpg
  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 212 Empowering
    edited June 29

    I keep hearing in the media of the government doing a U-turn on benefits. Surely a U-turn would be scrapping the plans?

    These paltry concessions hardly seem like a U-turn to me. Looks like they're still going full steam ahead for the most part.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    I could not agree more.

    S o clear so Zen-like and punchy.

    I request we do not discuss things too much - please keep writing to your MPs. With Sunday, today, and Monday, there are only 2 days to go.

    NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT, PLEASE DO NOT DELAY. THIS IS THE MOMENT OF TRUTH

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    I agree with MW123 above quoted, here:

    This isn’t genuine protection, it’s a delay, designed to defuse opposition while quietly embedding long term cuts. Once the Bill is passed, any future amendments to PIP criteria will have to work within its framework, not challenge it. If the Bill is halted, there’s still a chance to shape the entire package properly.

    We need to not miss our chance, our precious opportunity to ask our MPs to

    vote against even the 'concessions', before Tuesday vote in Parliament.Google to ''findyourMP'''if you don't know who your MP is

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    I agree with M123 above, quoted here:

    While the government claims existing PIP recipients are protected from the new rules starting in November 2026, this is not a permanent safeguard. The exemption only applies at the outset, and there’s no firm commitment that current claimants won’t be reassessed under the new criteria in future.

    This isn’t genuine protection, it’s a delay, designed to defuse opposition while quietly embedding long term cuts. Once the Bill is passed, any future amendments to PIP criteria will have to work within its framework, not challenge it. If the Bill is halted, there’s still a chance to shape the entire package properly.

    Thus we must write to our MPs and win.

    Please google ''findyourMP''

    If you did not write to your MP, and we lose even more benefits how would you feel?

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    I agree with Secretsquirrel1

    I don’t understand after this almost brought the government down ( may be a bit dramatic here) how they would trick the MPs who started the amendment. Surely the 126 rebels are all stupid ? Not that I trust the Labour government at all but look at the backlash . And regarding the two tier system, it shows that the rebels were only interested in saving their seats with the current claimants. They aren’t interested in the future claimants as right now the voters who are healthy are not thought to be interested in pip at the moment. Obviously that doesn’t include those on DLA or children. But that seems to be their thinking, including Meg hillier . IMO

    , who is definitely not nuts, but maybe a nut-nibbler, no sarcasm intended only a bit of DAFT humour/ joy.

    So please write to your MPs, SS's comment is very preceptive and acute. We need to counter the possible conspiracy she has identified.

    Google ''findyourMP''

    Many thanks.

    PS

    You owe it to yourselves to write, yet again, to your MPs.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    Someone above said, sorry memory problems:

     absolutely nothing has changed whatsoever , these concessions mean nothing for us , it's vile what they are doing .... Obviously the most are happy with this , all the ones that have dropped out of the rebellion are cowards

    Indeed.

    So please write to your MPs.

    As he Bob Marley reggae song goes or is it Peter Tosh, or both?:

    ''You can fool the people some of the time, but you CANT fool the people all de time…''

    When you are writing to your MP,

    please play some reggae you like, or other music, I was brought up on reggae, esp if you need inspiration in order to write to your MP.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    I mostly agree with Thirty Sixteen who said:

    In an ideal world I’d agree with you, I would. The likes of Shell, BP and big pharma could and should be paying more taxes. That in itself would be a massive financial relief for the country.

    But when these companies use the loopholes like basing their businesses abroad they escape the taxes.

    Not to mention all the back handers. But let’s not go there.

    The sad fact is, we are a small island who is grossly overpopulated. Overpopulated with many many people who take rather than contribute to the system.

    Labour aren’t Labour anymore, they’re Champaign socialists.

    Governments will always make the rich richer while the poor get poorer.

    Unfortunately what’s on offer in way of the amendment is pretty much the best we can hope for.

    I DONT agree with the last paragraph - it IS up to us to ask our MPs to pressure the govt to tax the rich more.

    I am an eternal optimist, and optimism makes it much more likely that people protest in huge numbers, and win compassion for all, including social justice.

    U R going to get bored with my requests to write to your MP, but we need to don't we.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,433 Championing

    Where can I see about this insurance? I don't see it in the press.

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,065 Championing

    It's in the Govt's Green Paper @Ranald

    The proposed changes to the CB ESA & JSA are at least being consulted upon in this paper. Please see the following from section 151 onwards. You can either respond to this & the few other bits that are actually open to consultation, or email in a reply. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper#section-1--what-the-reformed-system-will-look-like

    It's said right at the end of the paper,

    Please email consultation.pathwaystowork@dwp .gov.uk

    if:

    • you would like to respond via email, or
    • you have any other enquiries specifically relating to this consultation
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,932 Championing
  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 204 Pioneering

    there’s nothing in the news just yet. It’s on the pathways to work:

    151. We are consulting on creating a new Unemployment Insurance for those that have made National Insurance contributions. This would mean people receive the income they need alongside the right employment support to get back into work. The welfare system was founded upon the contributory principle – the idea of ‘something-for-something’. Contributory benefits are a form of non-means tested support for those who experience unemployment. Currently, New Style Employment and Support Allowance (NS ESA) and New Style Jobseeker’s Allowance (NS JSA) provide support for those who have recently become unemployed. To qualify for these benefits, 2 to 3 years’ worth of National Insurance credits must have been paid or credited prior to the date of a person’s claim. NS ESA supports individuals whose ability to work is restricted due to a disability or health condition. NS ESA relies on the WCA to determine eligibility. After the WCA, NS ESA places people in either a work-related activity group or a support group, which determines how much work preparation activity they are required to do and how long they are able to access the benefit. NS JSAalso supports unemployed individuals, or those working on average less than 16 hours a week, but it does not have a health-related requirement. People receiving NS JSA are expected to be actively searching for work and are able to access the benefit for up to 6 months.


    152. Under the reformed system, we are consulting on replacing NS ESA and NS JSAwith one new Unemployment Insurance benefit. The rate of financial support would be set at the current higher rate of NS ESA. The benefit would not require a health assessment and would be based on an individual’s National Insurance record as is currently the case.[footnote 84] Individuals, such as those with long term health conditions, would also be able to claim other relevant benefits where eligible.


    final suggestions won’t be known until white paper is published.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,932 Championing

    I don’t trust Labour at all and I’m sure they have something up their sleeve but part of me thinks they’ve said existing claimants with stay under the current system. They didn’t say until 2028 when we make changes . I also read somewhere that we are on dwp file for 6 years so if for any reason we lose pip and claim again we aren’t new claimants . Don’t know if it’s true or not . All the rebels must surely know what’s in store after the changes to pip and whether it affects us , are they now lying that it’s a good deal ?

  • Fudge40
    Fudge40 Online Community Member Posts: 6 Listener

    Yes, I totally agree why hit people like us it's disgusting! I suffer with bipolar disorder unfortunately. It's 80 percent genetic and 20 percent environmental. I have been in and out of jobs all my life, but somehow I have managed to work for 22 years in paid employment, as I had a mortgage with my ex husband you see. Bipolar people are above average intelligence and I own and run my own teaching languages business. I speak 4 different languages, French, Spanish, British sign language and of course I am a English native speaker. Catherine zeta Jones, Stephen fry, Mariah carey all have bipolar disorder and its known as the genius disease and I love being pure genius!!

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,433 Championing

    That's all very well, but what about those of us 'parked' for 15+ years, such as myself?

    I am sceptical that there is a great demand for muscular dystrophy sufferers locally!

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,433 Championing

    So it might not see the light of day. I see no point in worrying about what might not even come to pass.

  • Trevor_PIP
    Trevor_PIP Online Community Member Posts: 237 Empowering

    Thanks for the post. DWP say zero fraud then there are cases on the news where PIP has been fleeced for thousands of pounds by numerous claimants. I find it hard to believe it is 0%....

    I agree it is UC really where claimant bank accounts are being checked. This is also looking for fraud, as working for cash in hand is still the biggest cheat going on UC. PIP claimant bank accounts are being looked into as the bank manager told me this.

    Yes the fraud on UC during the pandemic was bad. A lot claimed the £50k that did not have a business etc etc.

    I'll leave it at that, I think we may have differing views but we both are here to help others. I just want a fair benefit system for the disabled, and not having to go through the current stressful process to claim!