Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 356 Pioneering

    Neither Kendall nor Timms on the front bench ….. so much for listening!!!

    Who agrees they will be in the corridors of WM, bullying (Kendall) or bribing (Timms) first-termers into voting for their appalling bill?

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 983 Championing

    Watching parliament tv , mps are speaking out against it

    Tories against it because it not tough enough. Lots of Labour, Liberal s, independents are against it. Saying they are rushing it through, they need to consult disability groups. And start again. Balancing reeves disastrous budget. That disability people are paying the price

  • frozenpelvis
    frozenpelvis Online Community Member Posts: 62 Contributor

    Hi Albus, I was wondering what scope and other organisations are proposing for a fairer system as the system is broken it has been for many years and in reality there is not a continuing pot of gold for payments. Especially when people paying taxes is dwindling. The millionaire and billionaire are leaving the uk for pastures greener so they don’t have to keep contributing to such systems. I have been on PIP for some years and the system has always stressed me out and given me anxiety when it came to the assessment and reassessment. Is there really a better and fairer system or in reality will there always be winners and losers in the benefit system.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    the link won’t open but they’re offering another concession

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  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 3,031 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Hi @frozenpelvis Scope have put forward a number of campaigns in support of preventing cuts. 🙂 Most recently, we released the following in conjunction with a large number of other charities - Joint civil society statement on the UC & PIP Bill | Disability charity Scope UK. which will hopefully help answer your questions. Also, see Over 100,000 say no to benefit cuts | Disability charity Scope UK.

  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 3,031 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Hi all. Just a quick note to draw your attention to this chat if I may - Welfare Reform Vote Discussion 💜 — Scope | Online Community

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 375 Pioneering
  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 375 Pioneering

    Beth Rigby reporting on X recently.

    Looks like another major concession on the way as govt looks to get the welfare vote across the line. Understand (as per @jessicaelgot @Kitty _donaldson @singharj ) that any changes on PIP eligibility will wait until Timms review (due to report in autumn 2026)

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    So why not wait for the vote ? Since when was it procedure to do these things backwards

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,153 Championing

    How many against I don't suppose you could gage

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,153 Championing

    God why don't they drop it scrap it their so embarrassing honestly tories wasn't like this was they ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,153 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    In the guardian it mentions things could change once Timms looks at the descriptors and could make them harder . That’s why they want the vote first. I reckon if they can get away with it they’ll make the 4 point descriptors what are currently 8 points and the 2 points what are now 4? Points. Obviously word it differently but we will still be on the 4? Points and new claimants need to get what now is equivalent to a an 8 imo

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,153 Championing

    Oh I just seen sobbing really touched she spoke for us all God bless her

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,153 Championing

    I don't think they will accept its smacking pure desperation like you said do the vote they don't play fair when thier losing they need to pull it

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 289 Empowering

    Scrap it now 🤯 All of these shenanigans are just a ploy, we are not fools, we know what is going on behind closed doors, private conversations pertaining to ''oh, give them this now - we will claw it all back with sizable interest'', believe me this will be happening right now.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 983 Championing

    Timms should be replaced as disabled minister. He is a disgrace. Richard Burgon would be great, he has been campaigning against it from the start.

    Have you notice how many mps are on their phones during debates. Especially when people are talking. Kier Starmer I noticed starts writing in his folder when someone is speaking against him

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 385 Championing

    The Telegraph lately has been nothing but hate for a wide range of groups, not just disabled people. They are the ones who also offered the calculator for tax payers to work out how much of their money was going on 'scroungers' and who call bigotry 'patriotism' on giant billboards across London.

    They are also read by some of the richer, more priveleged, higher earning right-leaning people in our society. I have genuinely seen people on the comments pages there complaining about losing tax from their six figure salaries to support benefit claimants (insert various stereotyped slurs here).

    In other words, we can't beat the Telegraph's bias, the best we can do is ignore it and fight on.

    Though it irks me that they called autism mental health. Autism is not mental health. Treating it as a mental health condition rather than a neurodevelopmental disorder with cognitive, functioning, processing and sensory challenges is one of the reasons there is not enough proper support out there. (And a reason why many autistic people have mental health problems). This really gets to me because so long as they consider autism itself to be mental health related, nobody is interested in exploring the real causes of higher MH diagnoses in autistic people. And that is a failing created by avoidable ignorance.

    On a better note, some powerful speakers in the chamber today. What strikes me is that nobody actually likes the bill. Some say it's not going far enough, some that it's not going anywhere. But nobody is there saying, wow, this is great. That's surely not a good sign for the govt trying to implement it going forward?

    I've also seen the report about potential additional concessions re Timms' report:

    "The Work and Pensions Minister Sir Stephen Timms is expected to tell MPs that the timing of the eligibility changes to the personal independence payment (Pip) will now take account of the findings of the review that Timms is to lead."
    Per BBC.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 233 Pioneering

    So many things wrong with these politicians.

    they want to ban mobiles for kids at school but they use it themselves when they should be listening to their colleagues.

    Do as you are told, I know what’s good for you but I won’t do it myself.

    Mobiles should be banned from the House of Commons, so disrespectful.

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