Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Sorry, but I don't think we were okay at all. Nothing was secure or clear, it was a mess and still is. None of it is reform, it's just cuts and spite. I think they were always going to punish us.
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MP’s are demanding more clarity on the review before next week’s third reading and vote (July 9th). I’m hopeful they will force the government to limit the scope with another concession.
4 points is just a technicality anyway. They could always make it twice as hard to get 2 points in the descriptors, and thus in real terms it’s 4 points for everyone.2 -
Did anyone here listen to their ramblings ? Was ME mentioned regarding the Timms report ?
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I don't think anyone knows what has passed and what has not...
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Thanks I'll try to remember that when happens. I know my rent price but didn't keep my service charge letter..I'll login to my northern counties account but they often good wi that stuff.
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So what does this mean for us who are already on pip. And for us who yet to be moved to UC .Also when we get reassessed do we have to abide by the 4 point rule
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I think regardless of how any of this turns out, we can only be sure of one thing, that they're going to make it a lot harder for all of us, current or future.
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I don’t want to sound doom and gloom but who would you vote in the next general election? Reform? Conservatives? Really are the two who would stand any chance and both would be worse than labour unfortunately.
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As it'll ask you for a username to open a UC account, to start with, don't bother about fancy or nice names, it'll keep saying to you that such a username is in use. Imagine, millions of claimants are on their system. I tried with all sorts of names, including the names of some of the smallest stars in the Milky Way, in vain! This was really what took my time, until I recalled the French name of my dog when I was living in France ages ago, and bang.
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The four points have been removed from the bill , so I understand , Timms will review it in November 2026, that is what I understand .
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This Timms bill they were referring to what is it?
Also what about UC
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Hi chiaried,
Did you happen to watch the debate at all today? I ask as it was mentioned that an mp mentioned serious conditions and ME. I didn’t watch it and can’t find anything online
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Oh maybe your hear some good news have you got the severe part of esa
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I think we will all be doing alot of emailing this week really has to be done i heard that speaker friendly with starmer
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Labour's Mary Kelly Foy told MPs: "I popped out for a banana earlier on and, when I came back in, things had changed again. So I'm even more unclear on what I'm voting on."
After the vote had taken place, Labour's Ian Lavery told the BBC: "This is an absolute shambles. I've never seen anything like it."
Both the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives criticised the process and said the bill should be pulled entirely.
The government initially announced its plans for a shake-up of the benefits system in March, including measures to limit eligibility for Pip, the main disability benefit in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and freeze the health-related element of universal credit.
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There was particular confusion about what Sir Stephen's promise to remove tighter Pips tests from bill would mean in practice – and whether MPs would get a say over it.
Speaking afterwards, one of the rebels, Paula Barker, said: "I am not sure that all colleagues understood what they voted for."
She said she hoped this "unedifying spectacle" would trigger a "reset" in the government's relations with its own MPs, adding: "Perhaps they will question why so many of us are doubting what they are saying."
"We all want the Labour government to succeed," she added.
Another rebel, Richard Burgon said: "If the government doesn't deliver on its promises on personal independence payments, if they don't take out cuts to universal credit there is a possibility that this bill could still be defeated.
"It is only a week to go but a week's a long time in politics."
Following the vote, the MS Society said: "We thought last week's so-called concessions were last minute. But these panicked 11th hour changes still don't fix a rushed, poorly thought-out bill."
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In the next GE, I won't be voting for anyone. I'm done.
If the Conservatives get battered again in May local elections, which I believe is inevitable, they'll stage a leadership challenge and, to save their seats, they'll bring buffoon Boris back, as he's the only one among the Cons capable of challenging Farage, who's farting increasingly louder. Boris would then paint himself with "MEA CULPA", acknowledging all his past errors and faults, and offering his profound apologies and remorse, while parroting populist rhetorics to fool the usual unsuspecting minds. Then, with him, the Cons would be back either on their own or will form a coalition with Farage's party currently run from his own iPhone, which he switches off whenever he gets drunk.
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Hi @secretsquirrel1 - yes, I watched part of it. One of the MPs said one of his constituents had ME, but he didn't mention anything about 'serious conditions,' he was just giving an example as to one of his constituents.
With 'serious conditions' the Gov't propose using those defined in the WCA handbook for assessors. This is not condition specific, altho examples are given as to who might qualify or not.
You can see the severe conditions criteria here if you scroll right down to Appendix 8 on p218:
You'll need to download the file first to access it.
I'll try to show it. You must satisfy one of the LCWRA descriptors, and
- all four of the following criteria must also be met:
Criterion
Description
Examples of conditions that might meet the criteria
Examples of conditions that might not meet the criteria
The level of function would always meet LCWRA.
The level of function would always meet LCWRA criteria
Motor Neurone Disease (MND), severe and progressive forms of Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s All dementias, All chromosomal conditions, Huntington’s severe irreversible cardiorespiratory failure, severe acquired brain injury … this list is not exhaustive.
Conditions which might be severe at times, but recovery offunction might be present for substantial periods, such as recently diagnosed relapsing non-progressive forms of Multiple Sclerosis or some people with less severe mental health conditions with periods of reasonable function.
Lifelong condition, once diagnosed
The condition will always be present.
Some lifelong conditions are present from birth, but others willdevelop or be acquired later in life.
Conditions which might be cured by transplant/ surgery/treatments or conditions which might resolve. This should be based on currently available treatment on the NHS and not on the prospect of scientists discovering a cure in the future.
No realistic prospect of recovery of function
Advice on this should be based on currently available treatment and not on the prospect of scientists discovering a cure in the future.
As per criterion 1.
A person within the first 12 months following a significant stroke who may recover function during rehabilitation, so whilst the condition is lifelong, function might improve.
Unambiguous condition
They have been through relevant clinical investigation and a recognised medical diagnosis has been made.
Non-specific symptoms not formally diagnosed or still undergoing investigation.
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Thank you 🙏. I just received my pip review form so I gave that to sort out now . My only recent treatment was physio but that was a bit of a weird situation and I don’t think I even had a letter of discharge and my GP didn’t get one either .
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So what in thinking 5 billion gone So they say up taxes autumn major outroar more attacks on disabled timms saying we need to go harder on welfare not fair on taxpayers this is an endless loop since 2023 sunak for months god have to be super hero's to get through this
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