Disability Benefit Cuts - Take action before July 9th.

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  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 215 Empowering

    So realistically people in our position may not be assessed until 2030 .... Long time to be worrying isn't it .... A new government will be in by then.... a long way to go .... No way I'm going to worry myself for the next five years .... Just concentrate on my next assessment I think 😌

  • Dav1D
    Dav1D Online Community Member Posts: 72 Empowering
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    Why is Labour punishing disabled people but rewarding the wealthy?

    '…..one hundred and twenty or more of its own MPs objected to the plans that Liz Kendal had, to cut personal independence payments…..I was angry about that but Im as angry that up to seventy of those MPs who previously objected are now accepting the revised package ….those seventy Labour MPs who backed out have sold out, there's no other way to describe them….and I hope their constituents remember that…they're selling out they're ethics for a basic political calculation of saving their skin…'

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  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 215 Empowering

    Well I'm hoping for a reassessment no earlier than January 2027 hopefully I pass and get two years then that will be Jan 2029 and even without all these changes you always get a delayed reassessment of a few months so it will be chaos around that time so that will take me to mid 2029 and we go from there .....

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 415 Championing

    I will never understand why anyone would protest vote against a government messing up the welfare bill/etc (but with some MPs trying to fight back) for a party who are so far incapable of managing even a local Council without costing thousands in by-elections…and who don't believe in the welfare state/want a privatised US-style NHS.

    …A lot of people voted Brexit as a protest as well. One of the reasons we're where we are now is because, instead of taking the no vote as it actually stood (a tight victory), we were suddenly told everyone wanted the most punishing form of Brexit possible and there would be no incorporation of anything that was not total destruction of EU relationship.

    This is a bit like that. I wish people would learn. You don't solve broken windows by demolishing the whole house.

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,263 Championing
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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I’ve never seen what their relevant conditions were . In fact I’ve never known anyone that knew about it including legal advisors and my GP . My assessor gave me two years for conditions with no cure or treatment. Anything that is up to an assessor I’d be weary of

  • luvpink
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  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    Hi Passerby, thank you for eloquently detailing this, when just a couple of days ago I could only manage saying ''you will need to be at deaths door'' . I believe this still to be true, I hate saying that, many many folk will fall through the cracks. I firmly believe but obviously could be wrong, that those in power will make any and all changes as difficult as possible for the very simple reason that they need ( to please the tax payer et al ) and will want to, claw back the money to fill that black hole we are all so sick of hearing about.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    I just cannot shake the feeling that that ''4 point based instrument'' will come back to bite us in some other format. New name, approach, same intention and outcome.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,680 Championing

    I been reading correct me if I'm wrong ! That even if it's a money bill these can be challenged ie lack of consultations human rights its obvious they are breaking all rules discrimination the works the farmers are taking them to judical court for lack of consultations impact reports I've got to admit getting very scared for the future amd just hope it is true about being able to challenge dropping 4 point rule was because of the legal implications

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,793 Championing

    Thanks for sharing. The Mayfield Review focuses on keeping people in work, mainly through large companies with resources and government backing. It wrongly assumes a level playing field across UK employers, overlooking the fact that small businesses, often lack the capacity to provide meaningful support.

    It barely touches my main concern, what support exists for sick and disabled people who have already been left behind, and may now be found fit for work in areas where genuine job prospects simply do not exist. Perhaps the final report in the autumn will address this, but it’s a gap that cannot be ignored.


    Just to clarify, I wasn’t calling for another external reviewer like Charlie Mayfield. I meant someone from the Upper House, such as Baroness Jane Campbell, a crossbench life peer and pioneering disabled activist. Her independence from government and depth of lived experience would bring the kind of impartial leadership disabled people truly deserve in the current PIP review. If she were leading it, I would feel far more confident that the process would be genuinely open to co-production with disabled people, not just consultation in name.


    I would feel far more comfortable with someone like her leading it. Given Stephen Timms’s prior proposals, including the controversial four-point rule that was thankfully withdrawn, it is difficult to see how this review can feel truly fair and inclusive while being led by a minister so closely tied to past reform attempts. He could serve the process better by stepping back and allowing someone without a political stake to lead.

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  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Online Community Member Posts: 51 Contributor

    That's it though isn't it - he doesn't seriously "believe" that for one moment. But he also doesn't care that it's a devastating lie.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 415 Championing

    Thank you Chiareds for posting the link to the Mayfield report.

    What stuck out to me like a sore thumb was how little the report tended to touch on employee experiences. It was sympathetic to people's situations more than just assuming people didn't want to be in work, but the idea that most employers want to keep employees and support them in the workplace is highly subjective and doesn't really jive with the 50% of employers who apparently don't want them.

    I remember reading a report a few years back about Disability Confident, where around 80% of organisations had not actually increased their disability employment. I wish I could find the report now (I think it was 2018, so before the pandemic, showing that this was an endemic problem even then) but it was eye-opening about how many Disability Confident employers were not actually making changes to their practices.

    Mine is one that does take all that seriously - for example, they've just published a new disability strategy after consultation with disabled and neurodivergent staff groups - but although that acknowledges so many of the barriers disabled people face, and problems faced during recruitment, it still looks at employment from the perspective of interviewing and scoring candidates on points. No matter how much awareness training you have, you are never going to employ someone who can't present themselves coherently in an interview over someone who can. The playing field is never going to be level - if you make too many allowances for a disabled candidate, you discriminate against non disabled candidates, but if you are using a method that is known to discriminate against disabled candidates, then no matter how much you try and mitigate, it's still never going to be completely fair.

    So how the government intend to mitigate that I don't know - if it's still a problem even in well-meaning and supportive workplaces.

    As I've mentioned before, at department level I've had nothing but support from my management team. It was GETTING the job in the first place that was the barrier . And I think this is something the Mayfield report is missing - at least in any depth - because the barriers people face are so diverse.


    (Meanwhile, I hope I misread a report in a paper headline yesterday in which it looked like the Chancellor referred to benefit cuts as 'low hanging fruit' - ie an easy financial target. Perhaps I just took it out of context).

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Online Community Member Posts: 89 Empowering

    From what I've read Catherine, a money bill can be amended but not challenged. I could be wrong though because it looks a murky way of getting legislation through.

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