The Universal Credit Bill becomes law. Here are the changes to disability benefits you need to know

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  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,100 Championing
    edited July 19
  • jw68
    jw68 Online Community Member Posts: 53 Contributor
    edited July 20

    In a dream world I'm hoping Jeremy corbyn makes a party that out numbers labour that all good mps from Labour join could that be a possibility but yes reform oh hell no and kemi seems to be going in really hard quoted saying along lines of people sitting at home doing noting whilst tax payers paying mmm I think government gain from tax payers money I used to get very upset now I just think how embarrassing and how easy humans are to mauliplate causes wars riots unrest all from galloping elites clinking glasses and in glee at the stupidity how strong we would be together I've always been open minded race religion is not something I see I've always seen the person I don't want anymore than anyone else or in competition with anyone but people who are full of dislike and unrest will always be played back to subject all parties seem more blue than red let's hope corbyn comes forward

    Hi Catherine,

    You make some good points there,especially re:being in competition with others and the easy manipulation of the masses.As for Corbyn,he is a man of decency and integrity,but sadly i think his setting up a new faction might only serve to split the Labour vote and give rise to Reform getting the keys to number ten.

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    Regards

    JW.

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Online Community Member Posts: 69 Empowering
    edited July 19

    I'm afraid I like Corbyn, the old Labour party mp's looked after people. That was until the new (torylabour) of blairs party ruined everything. I'm not advocating that we turn this into a political thread, it should be about looking after people, whether been made redundant or become ill and that's what they use to do.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 769 Championing
    edited July 20

    He didn't stand a chance, simply because the minuscule group of people, led by T. Blair, which owns Labour Party didn't want him. No one becomes a Labour PM unless they're a puppet to this group and, most of all, Blair. Ed Miliband didn't stand a chance either and this was mainly due to his rivalry with Blair, who shamefully didn't even shy away from saying in 2015, "the Tories will win because Ed miliband does not connect with voters."

    Also, the corrupt media of this country, which played monumental roles in the defeat of both E. Miliband and J. Corbyn in their past elections, has also been tremendously contributing to their unelectability to date.

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    Keir Starmer is the creation of Blair; thus, the only thing he cares about is the validation of this mafioso group and its evil head and nothing else.

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 152 Empowering
    edited July 21

    saw this and it made me chuckle 😂

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,274 Championing

    Hey links !! Anyway I've emailed Lords got few more to do best to do today or tomorrow I don't think they will get I'm time buy can try

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,274 Championing

    Oh bless you watch this space I put a link up!!

  • Charlie_Scope
    Charlie_Scope Posts: 264 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Good morning,

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  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 927 Pioneering

    I completely agree.

    I have been on this site and many others fighting the cause for the disabled, even when the other lot were in.

    You are right to say that the Disability Budget and "the Budget to get people back into work" are TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

    This was one of the points I raised in writing the White Paper. If you read it carefully the budget was allocated to assist Disabled (Neurodiversant, as the word Disabled "cannot and should not be used in the assessment process.) (I will clarify that later) people back into work, assist in adaptions at home and at work, if already working, allowing courses and meetings with Professionals to teach, and help understand their conditions, what can be expected in the future, so far as treatment, administering of Drugs that cannot be bought over the counter, or operation consultation as to what can be achieved and what might be achieved, and whether it is a quick fix, to aleviate the problems now b ut in the long term what might be the results.

    I have to talk plainly since not all disabilities are the same. Some can be fixed and some sadly cannot. But to call anyone that claims a benefit on the sick, and is long term on the DOLE disabled? Is incorrect.

    That budget is set forn those in Parliament who have not looked at long term sick benefits and the reason they are on long term sick. Reason 1. Extended long term sick without assistance from anyone to talk to as to what the claimants goals are, causes stress, Mental Issues that surround going back to work, after a long period of illness, and the fact that they believe that everyone one thinks they are screwing the system, can be the first hurdle to climb.

    In the last year I have reinstated 5 people in Cardiff back into work, because I talk to the Employers, and Occupational Health, AND THE CLAIMANT FIRST, TO UNDERSTAND the barriers, as its not just money its the UNSEEN ILLNESSES that cause other ablebodied, working age people to tar everyone with the same brush.

    Yes, with some adaptions they can go back, and this is what the government is doing now. Great, but how many bother to go back and revisit the claimant after a week, or a month to see that everything that was agreed is being adhered to, BY BOTH SIDES. I can tell you, none. In my cases I visit the works prior to the Claimant speaking to Occ Health, and agree a smooth transition of say an hour one day a week, thenif both agree increase it to two or three times a week, then to the agreed hours, which must also take into account, "the job" where if targets are set before going on the sick, they are reviewed, even if it means sitting with someone who is now doing their job and not actually using a computer but understanding that changes may have been made to the system that needed "tweaking"

    The Disability budget is exactly that. If you are registered as "disabled" then why do we need to fight to get what we are entitled to? How can someone alter the Assessment process unless the changes to the assessment process have been agreed?

    The assessment Charter and Laws are set in PDF Documents that cannot be altered. You can amend the document, but both parties have to sign that they agree to the changes made, date the agreed changes, and show on a top copy the NEW AMENDMENT NUMBER. This all comes under Bond Solon Part 35 Section 2 paragraphs 1.00 to 1.15. Where any one of the 15 bullet points not met the "report cannot be used" even as an opinion unless acredited supporting evidence is used.

    So statements that say, I did not see any of this at the Face to Face interview, and therefore……. do not hold water. This being one of many statementys still being used by the ASSESSORS. The White Paper is there for a reason, and to close discussion before parts have already been agreed is also against the LAW. This comes under CANDOUR. Where no third party company, may alter or amend a Charter or Law without the Main Holders Concent.

    The main holder of the assessment contract are the DWP the very people altering the assessment process, yet why have certain parts already been agreed and implemented? Its because before and during the Pandemic certain rights were given to the assessment providers HIRED BY THE DWP TO ASSESS CLAIMANTS, which has not been resinded.

    We are not in a Pandemic, so why hasn't the Medical Board looked at any assessments or the changes to the Charters and Laws we have already agreed and allowed the NHS who already assess us for treatment to take back the assessment process and the money paid for the assessment process put back where it belongs, INTO THE NHS as the NHS was supposed to be self funding, IN ALL DEPARTMENTS NOT JUST A & E.

    The last time I looked a simple assessment was £850. Yes, £850 for an assessmnet that the NHS already do. You don't see these assessment providers in A & E? Why not? Because they are there not to give a medical assessment but they can overwrite an assessment report given by a Doctor or a Surgeon to name some, or reduce benefits and in somecases remove them all together?

    If you are going to use assessment providers hired by the DWP to assess us for access to benefits, then supply all the other documentation that they are supposed to supply withb every report. This is where the original £850 was supposed to be used. I will not pay £850 for an opinion, since I already am an appointee I will under cut them and only charge you (or the DWP) £650/assessment as they also do not represent the DWP in Court, neither do the unions. I know because I have asked for the Skills matrix of many union reps, and they don't have anywhere near the expertise I have.

    10 cases last year (to get benefits reinstated), 5 placements back into a working enviornment. How many has this labour party placed back into work without some sort of cut to benefits insteady of assistance we require and a fight.

    I am not saying that I am the best thing since sliced bread, but some common sence should prevale somewhere.

    I joined Scope Senedd last year and was thankful for that by members here. My "fight" should be not to get an increase in the cost of living or a change to Pension Rights as other people get paid big bucks for that I DON'T.

    (You can always call me Sir? As I also lecture.)

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,274 Championing

    On 22nd July Lords debating on taking substantial risk from UC dpac asking to email Lords

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,394 Championing
    edited July 20

    Thank you for sharing your extensive experience with disability advocacy and return to work support. Your practical approach to graduated returns to employment, with regular check-ins and adjustments, shows how important proper support and follow-up are for successful outcomes.

    However, I would like to clarify a few points about the assessment framework. While Bond Solon provides valuable training materials, the legal requirements for assessments and expert evidence are governed by the Civil Procedure Rules, Part 35, and its Practice Direction. The specific paragraph numbering you mentioned, 1.00 to 1.15, reflects a training guide, not statutory law.

    This distinction matters because while Bond Solon's guidance helps practitioners meet legal standards, assessments can't be invalidated solely for not following their format, what matters legally is whether the assessment meets the core requirements set out in CPR Part 35 for expert evidence to be reliable, objective, and within the expert's area of expertise.

    Your points about the procedural changes introduced during the pandemic, and the role of contracted assessors compared with NHS professionals, raise important questions about oversight and value for money. The £850 assessment cost you referenced is particularly concerning if these assessments duplicate services already provided within the NHS.

    The fact that you have personally reinstated five people into work in Cardiff, with follow-up, employer mediation, and phased transitions, while the wider system fails to do so, speaks volumes. Treating people as humans rather than metrics is not just practical, it is transformative. And your ten overturned benefit decisions? That is ten lives disrupted by procedural injustice, and ten times you refused to let the system win. Well done!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,274 Championing

    See Part of link on pip where says deciding on secondary primary legislation or not !!!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,274 Championing
    edited July 21
    Screenshot shows a social media post. Text reads: Write to the House of Lords. Lords Review UC Bill on 22 July. While the Lords can't stop the bill, every speech they make will build legal cases and hopefully will encourage support for Baroness Bennett's fab 'motion to regret' please email the template or your version to speaking Lords: shorturl.at/VsJNE  -- Dr Jay Watts"

    {Edited slightly at the top to remove personal feed}

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,394 Championing
  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Online Community Member Posts: 69 Empowering

    Read the comments underneath the artical and you'll find you are not alone in the fight for proper justice.⚖️

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,274 Championing
    edited July 21

    Might be early but disability groups saying email speakers regarding pip being made money bill so here's my first email yes no capitals full stops I don't care I will send now and more nearer the time I will also start emailing mps regarding pip and asking what disability groups is timms consultation with after they come back from jollies I give couple months or get lame excuse they just got back going to be alot harder with mps as starmer got them where he wants them but still email and the Lords emailed loads of Lords on list for 22 July debate ok Labour won't listen but I hope they tear them to shreds

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,394 Championing

    Emailing MPs, the Speaker, and Lords is exactly the right move. Even if some won't listen, it's all about piling on pressure and raising awareness. Keep holding them to account, and you are right to question who's actually being consulted too. We deserve transparency and proper representation from disabled led groups, not just the same old hand-picked charities or “experts”.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,274 Championing

    I'm afraid people will be so tired to fight but I believe we must if people can ofcourse this was a distraction a break for starmer to rally the troops stamp down hard and get back to the matter in hand his way or the highway the life already feels unbearable without it even happening yet people say 2026 that will fly so yes for me I've emailed loads of Lords about substantial risk from uc tomorrow yes labour won't listen to them but we cannot have primary legislation money bill with pip I've emailed my mp asking why we are being bombarded and constant on slaughter I stated I want an explanation for the cruelty and to highlight like a million people have this is psychology warfare I did say i suppose I will get a genetically response and said I'm waiting for corbyn to join with greens and get a political party for the people instead of programme written by soviet union never known a year like it in my whole 53 years and I'm sure like most faced hardship this has floored me yes I know other parties will be worse but we have to fight this first I won't go on gather alot of strenght