The Universal Credit Bill becomes law. Here are the changes to disability benefits you need to know

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,457 Championing

    I have been consistent throughout. The FOI is useful, but it reflects the system as it stood. DL PIP as gateway was not part of the Green Paper consultation. Paragraph 37 refers to aligning support with daily living needs, but it does not propose scrapping the Work Capability Assessment or formalising PIP as the sole gateway.

    That shift has been signalled, yes, but it has not been legislated or consulted on directly. That distinction matters, especially when safeguarding is at stake. I have never denied the Government’s direction of travel. I have said the legislative framing has not yet been published. That is not evasion. It is precision.

    Urgency is not the issue for me. Others may feel differently, but I am holding mine for when the Government puts its intentions into writing. The White Paper will show who is affected, how exclusions are defined, and what was carried forward from consultation. That is when scrutiny becomes meaningful and when accountability begins.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,457 Championing

    The 4-point PIP rule was included in draft legislation. That made it a formal proposal, not speculation. Protesting a published clause in a bill is not the same as responding to a signal without legislative framing. That distinction matters. I’ve never said we shouldn’t challenge the White Paper. I’ve said I prefer to respond to published proposals, not assumptions. That’s not hypocrisy, it’s consistency.

     I raised concerns about the Green Paper, met with my MP, and supported Scope’s public challenge. I’ve acted, and I will continue to do so. The Timms PIP review may well change eligibility criteria, but until that happens, the current descriptors remain the basis for scrutiny.

    That’s why the FOI data is relevant, but it doesn’t define future eligibility, and it doesn’t confirm how DL PIP will be used as a gateway. That’s why I’ve said the White Paper matters. It will show what’s being carried forward, what’s being formalised, and who is affected.

  • LurgeeLife
    LurgeeLife Online Community Member Posts: 14 Contributor

    Paragraph 37 *literally* states that the Work Capability Assessment will be scrapped in the first line of that paragraph and that access to UC Health will be via qualification of DL PIP. It *literally* states that this will be implemented via Primary Legislation.

    Your revisionism of the facts is so easily disproven! Good grief. You really are so intent on believing your own fantasy version.

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  • LurgeeLife
    LurgeeLife Online Community Member Posts: 14 Contributor
    edited August 26
  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,928 Championing

    What a lot of quarrelling. Why don't we all wait and see what comes to pass?

  • LurgeeLife
    LurgeeLife Online Community Member Posts: 14 Contributor

    I said that if you protested the 4 point PIP rule based on the Green Paper before the UC & PIP Bill was published (so between March and June) that would make you a hypocrite.

    You've said you did raise concerns about the Green Paper with your MP so you did vocalise your opposition based on what you would call "speculation" (the Green Paper).

    You've then contradicted yourself again by saying "the current descriptors remain the basis for scrutiny" but then in previous posts you've said that the FOI isn't useful for protesting because it's a snapshot of the eligibility criteria now.

    Your apparent need to be right is blinding you to the actual evidence and reality of the situation and causing you to make multiple contradictions and illogical statements.

  • LurgeeLife
    LurgeeLife Online Community Member Posts: 14 Contributor
    edited August 26

    I've already provided my reasons for not waiting for the publication of the White Paper so your suggestion is something I cannot inherently get behind. You have the option of not engaging with this thread if you find it jarring.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,928 Championing
    edited August 26
  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,457 Championing

    I, along with many of our members, opposed the repeal of the Work Capability Assessment throughout the passage of the Welfare Reform Bill. We engaged in direct lobbying and sustained dialogue with MPs and ministers.

    The legislation is now on the statute book, and the Limited Capability for Work element has been formally removed.

    Paragraph 37 is frequently quoted, but it merely confirms the implementation of measures already enacted. It does not reopen the issue. The reference to primary legislation concerns a process that has concluded, not one available for reversal. Repeating it as if the repeal remains under debate risks misdirecting scrutiny and confusing the legislative status.

    In my view, our strategic focus should now shift to the design of the replacement regime. This includes how eligibility for the new Health Element will be defined, who may be excluded by a Daily Living PIP gateway, what routes exist for challenge or amendment, and how safeguarding and transitional protections will operate.

    The new framework has not yet been published. Until the White Paper appears, any claims about scoring thresholds or exclusions remain speculative. Understandably, speculation can be deeply unsettling for members, especially when it begins to outpace confirmed detail. That is precisely why scrutiny must be anchored in what is structurally real and still open to influence.

    FOI data may illuminate risks under the previous system, but it does not describe the current legislative settlement. With the Bill enacted, scrutiny is best directed at shaping what comes next.

    Others may choose to campaign to overturn what is already in law. That is their prerogative, and I wish them well. My priority is the detail still being shaped, where scrutiny, lobbying, and targeted pressure on damaging proposals can still make a difference.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 2,789 Championing

    I agree.

    Things are bad enough for us without people arguing and point scoring.

    Personally I am waiting for an official announcement to be made and hopefully that will happen soon.

  • LurgeeLife
    LurgeeLife Online Community Member Posts: 14 Contributor
    edited 10:05AM

    You are so badly wrong. The WCA scrappage was NOT in the UC Bill and has NOT been passed via Primary Legislation yet

    This is the UC Bill which does not contain any reference to the WCA being scrapped:
    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/62123/documents/6889

    The Big Issue today have published an article precisely on the upcoming scrappage of the Work Capability Assessment to be included in the autumn White Paper which has NOT been voted on by Parliament yet:

    https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/benefit-cuts-disabled-people-work-capability-assessment/

    You are gravely misleading people on here.

    There is still an opportunity to ensure the WCA scrappage doesn't go ahead.