ESA to UC Migration - is it possible to cancel new style ESA and just claim LCWRA/Universal Credit?

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  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 7,036 Championing

    No that means they have done a manual ESA payment.

    When a manual ESA payment is made, the reference is JSA.

  • teresasue
    teresasue Online Community Member Posts: 38 Connected

    Thank you I was worried when I saw Jsa. The lady seemed to think it might have been a small amount left that was owed to him as the NS ESA claim was closed does that sound correct in your opinion. You are very knowledgeable on all this and help us all

  • Drausus
    Drausus Online Community Member Posts: 55 Empowering
    edited September 23
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1065777#Comment_1065777

    did you ask why the 2 week run on was deducted from your first uc payment, or was it just the CB ESA part that was deducted? I thought that the 2 week run on payment (IB part of ESA) did not need to be paid back according to CAB??? https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/universal-credit/moving-from-other-benefits/if-youve-got-a-migration-notice/#:~:text=When%20your%20legacy%20benefits%20will,after%20you%20claim%20Universal%20Credit

  • Jelas
    Jelas Online Community Member Posts: 12 Connected
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1069781#Comment_1069781

    No just the ESA (Conts) was deducted. The case manager was trying to tell me that it was the run on that was deducted and I had to tell him that he was incorrect.
    A manager and ESA had to intervene, then the case manager denied ever talking to me and telling me that, but that’s a story for another day!

  • Jelas
    Jelas Online Community Member Posts: 12 Connected
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1066079#Comment_1066079


    @teresasu e     Hi there. Sorry I never got back to you. Yes fortunately it worked out. This is the full breakdown of what UC sent me on my journal: 

    “We have received an email which may explain what has happened better as it appears you had been receiving both contribution based ESA and income related ESA. Income related ESA was the only benefit moving to UC and it appears you were receiving contribution based ESA up until 24 July which is deducted from UC as it is not a migrated benefit. 

    UC was claimed 10/07/25.At the time, you were in receipt of £140.55 ESAC and £21.20 ESAIR (EDP), total ESA £161.75 per week. The two week legacy benefit run-on for ESA(IR) was 10/07/25-23/07/25 inclusive, so ESA(IR) was correctly excluded from 24/07/25 and including. So ESAC and ESAIR were both paid up to 23/07/25 and just ESAC for 24/07/25 (your Thursday payday). On 30/07/25 The ESAC claim was then closed after 24/07/25 (the last paid date) at the customer’s request, so no further payments were issued. 

    Whilst the additional two-week run-on of ESAIR is completely disregarded by UC, ESAC is still taken into account from the outset.This means that UC have correctly taken just the £140.55 ESAC into account from 10/07/25-24/07/25 (15 days) and deducted £300.35 from the first UC payment.This deduction is slightly less than the actual amount of ESAC paid to you during this period (£301.79) due to the UC system averaging the ESA award over 12 months, and there being 31 days in the first UC assessment period 10/07/25-09/08/25 due to being in July.”

    So my FIRST UC payment on the 15th August was £823.41 minus £300.35 (ESA Conts taken into account)= £523.06. Then I received my second payment of full UC on the 16th September for £823.41. 

    Hope this helps.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,719 Championing

    Whats difference new style esa and lwcra ?

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 7,036 Championing
    edited September 24

    New style esa is paid fortnightly, UC monthly (unless an alternative payment arrangement is requested).

    New Style ESA is not means tested, UC is.

    When someone is on both, reassessment notification is done through UC & the form is labelled UC50. This is identical to the ESA50 form.

    It's one assessment and the result applies to both benefits.

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