Andrews fall from grace.

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  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 4,133 Championing

    I felt sympathy for Beatrice and Eugenie for what their dad has either done, or not done, especially when he was arrested. They've now been banned from attending Ascot and the Royal Family are not to be photographed with them this year (but I definitely understand there's far more important things going on in the world than whether one can go to Ascot or not 🙄🫠😊).

    I read they've both been asked to allow scrutiny of their personal investments which they've, allegedly, refused to allow. Considering AMW and his advisers were advising them on their investments as well as there own links to Epstein, I think they're very short-sighted to not allow scrutiny and I have no sympathy until they do. I suspect that at some point, a lot more scrutiny and transparency of the royal family's fiances etc generally, will become the norm, as it should be in my humble opinion.

  • rubin16
    rubin16 Scope Member Posts: 1,463 Championing

    Years ago it was a man's world, theres no doubt about that. But in todays society that is far from the truth and hinders any opportunity for improvement, everyone has opportunities in this life regardless of gender. Instead of telling other women "its a man's world" (Which only limits their thinking to they can never achieve anything) we should all be encouraging women to believe its anyones world, so everyone can reach their potential.

    Theres good and bad in everyone, sex, race, religion etc doesn't make that person bad, is it the sole persons actions that define them.

    This kinda reinforces my point with this forum at the moment, even this simple conversation talking about Andrew has turned into a sexist attack on all men.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,538 Championing
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1105869#Comment_1105869

    IT STILL IS A MAN'S WORLD!

    We (women) can't fix the problem and YOU can't fix the problem if you don't believe there is one!

  • Emilee
    Emilee Online Community Member Posts: 501 Pioneering
    edited March 1

    This conversation about Andrew cannot be framed as simple or irrelevant to women's rights, it is directly connected and serves as both a wonderful (and horrendous) example of the issues women face today.

    It is not sexist to acknowledge that women are still oppressed. It is not an "attack on all men" to point out that, globally, women continue to face vast and dangerous inequalities. This is not inaccurate, nor is it a matter of opinion.

    I believe this is the most firm stance I have ever taken on this forum, because it’s a topic I feel strongly about.

    Empowering women doesn’t come from pretending the problem doesn’t exist. Ignoring the issue only perpetuates the status quo.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 3,429 Championing
    edited March 1
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1105864#Comment_1105864

    You are probably right and the daughters should be left alone with their lives and personal finances !

    It's not their fault that their father did what he did…and if they were involved in any way - it's because of their father.

  • Emilee
    Emilee Online Community Member Posts: 501 Pioneering
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1105864#Comment_1105864

    I wonder if their refusal is due to uncertainty about what might be revealed. Perhaps they've taken advice from AMW and his advisers and are now worried that their investments and connections will come to light, with their only real fault being naivety and ignorance (equally they could have been fully aware and fully complicit too!). I agree that it’s short-sighted not to allow scrutiny, and there should be more transparency regarding the finances of the Royal Family (and government).

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 4,133 Championing
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1105919#Comment_1105919

    Mmm, good points, I hope for their sake they do allow the scrutiny even though that could also be opening a massive can of worms. I would have sympathy if they really didn't know any of the investments were from dubious sources, if indeed they are. I think it will all 'come out in the wash', as they say, at some point. They're the only two who can 'prove' it's all legitimate; their decision not to only raises suspicion and maybe leads to this 'separation' they're facing from the family. Quite sad really.

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