Timms Review on PIP - Interim Report (Links Included)

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  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,773 Championing

    The Timms Review September Update

    Good afternoon,

    Please see an update from the co-chairs of the Timms Review of Personal Independence Payment (PIP), Sharon Brennan, Dr Clenton Farquharson CBE and Sir Stephen Timms, Minister for Social Security and Disability, on GOV.UK at: The Timms Review co-chair update September- GOV.UK.

    This letter sets out the Review’s emerging recommendations. These are a starting point for the Review's final recommendations, which will be tested and strengthened through the shaping recommendations workshops starting this month. In addition, the steering group will be inviting a number of stakeholders to roundtables, which will provide a further opportunity to explore what would be needed for proposals to work in practice

    Alternative formats of this letter (including BSL, Easy Read, Large Print, and audio) are also available at the link above.

    Kind regards,

    The Timms Review

  • Rosie_Scope
    Rosie_Scope Posts: 9,784 Online Community Team

    Thanks for sharing this with us @Wibbles! It'll be interesting to see what happens after the shaping recommendation workshops.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 298 Empowering

    Shocking recommendations, reading between the lines as we should and must, we are basically back to the ''voucher'' scenario again ! Benefits and Work have uploaded a new news article, it is well worth the read 😊

  • lupin57
    lupin57 Community Member Posts: 4 Listener

    I have read the benefits and work article and am concerned about this -

    The review is arguing that awards should be decided based on a fair contribution by the DWP to the extra costs of disability, based on categories including “equipment and aids; mobility and transport; clothing and bedding.”

    And whether the dwp will be able to recognise properly what extra costs somebody has - this is going to be many and various when you consider all kinds of conditions - can they assess this properly? Will it be in the form of vouchers?

    They say the review would be coproduced but what about people who find it too difficult to contribute to that?

  • JulieTuesday
    JulieTuesday Community Member Posts: 70 Contributor

    Most of my money is used to just…. 'live'. Energy costs the most, food, council tax and extras to make life living being housebound almost acceptable. Everyday something else is written about PIP, now they say the over 60's will be targeted. Hard to provide vouchers for a sense of guilt for being needy.

  • JW77
    JW77 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    Benefits & Work have released this with their insights on the report in their latest newsletter.
    Make of it what you will. Mega companies deal with billion dollar deals for profit. Governments deal with the same with departments for costings.

    I'm not sure I can compare benefits being cut as the 'low hanging fruit' when we often seem to be portrayed as some form of canker..:(

    https://benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/timms-revives-tory-plan-for-pip-awards-based-on-costs-not-difficulties?utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=benefits-and-work&utm_content=16%20September%202026%20Newsletter

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,773 Championing

    For long-term claimants like myself (Enhanced Daily Living + Enhanced Mobility, 10-year award from 2022), the biggest concerns aren't really about reassessments anymore. The concerns are about what a future cost-based PIP system could look like.

    Main concerns

    1. Moving away from functional need

    Current PIP is based on how your condition affects your ability to carry out daily living and mobility activities.

    The emerging Timms proposals suggest future awards could be linked to categories such as:

    • equipment and aids
    • transport and mobility
    • clothing and bedding

    Many claimants fear this could ignore the wider impact of disability and focus only on measurable expenses.

    2. Mental health and neurodevelopmental conditions may lose out

    A person can be severely affected by:

    • autism
    • ADHD
    • anxiety
    • PTSD
    • depression

    without having obvious costs for equipment, bedding or transport.

    A cost-based system could be much harder for these claimants to navigate and prove entitlement.

    3. Cash payments could gradually be replaced

    The Review says:

    "Cash will remain the foundation of the award"

    But it also says:

    "Some awards will also include services, and offer other non-cash support."

    Some claimants worry that this could eventually mean less cash and more vouchers, services or prescribed support instead.

    4. No commitment to increasing payment levels

    The Review talks extensively about reforming the process.

    It says almost nothing about:

    • increasing award rates
    • keeping up with inflation
    • rising disability costs
    • energy costs
    • transport costs

    Many long-term claimants feel the real issue is that PIP payments no longer cover the true extra costs of disability.

    5. Loss of independence

    One of the strengths of current PIP is that claimants choose how to spend it.

    A more prescriptive system could mean someone deciding what support you need, rather than you deciding.

    Many disabled people see this as a threat to independence.

    6. Long-term claimants could be required to justify costs

    At present, you only need to show how your disability affects you.

    A future cost-based system might require evidence of expenditure or additional costs.

    Claimants are concerned about:

    • keeping receipts
    • proving expenditure
    • disputes about what is a "reasonable" disability cost
  • Rag_793
    Rag_793 Community Member Posts: 827 Empowering

    In a nutshell the government want anybody on PIP locked away out of sight and out of mind.

    My money goes towards :-

    Food

    Gas & Electric

    Sky TV

    Sky Mobile

    EE Mobile

    House Insurance

    Council Tax

    Home Decoration Scheme

    Appliance Insurance

    Gadget Insurance

    Apple Insurance

    TV Subscription - Disney+, HBO and Paramount Plus

    TV Licence

    Broadband

    Window Cleaner

    Tui

    Funeral Plan

    Severn Trent Water

    Flight Radar ****

    Apple Fitness ****

    Microsoft Word ****

    alongside this I have a standing order in place for home improvements to be made on the flat.

    I do have a small amount left if I want to head into town for a coffee each week.

    Since 2020 I have had to switch from working as a Support Worker full time, to where in 2024 I have started living as a Service User. I not only rely on ESA and UC. But I heavily rely on PIP each month, if it were changed or taken away it would negatively impact my quality of life. I am going to have to start being more mindful of my outgoings, build my savings up to around £5,500 to keep me just below the threshold on savings.

    Ever since the Government announced they were looking at the welfare bill, it has impacted my mental health. It leads to you starting questioning everything, it sends you down a dark alley and makes you start thinking of a bleak future.

  • jonf
    jonf Community Member Posts: 467 Pioneering

    it is beyond me.

    You are lucky that you can afford Sky television. I am sure that the state will say that this is a luxury item.

    No telephone lines where I am or fibre so no internet bills. I moved here a few months ago and now the bus company have removed the bus service because of cut backs. just had my licence suspended for six months due to health .

    Hmmmm

  • ricky1040
    ricky1040 Community Member Posts: 239 Empowering

    Think I need to stop reading the news. I was kinda ok and not worrying about the reforms but then there is another article saying we all are gonna b reassessed and pip is no more. We only just did the reassessing for pip from DLA. And it's a horrible process. Also I'm over 40 so I am ok but according to this article under 25s will not be treated equally. How is their disability any less disabling. It's horrible. But I'm gonna just try my best not to think to much into it till it actually happens. If it does.

  • Rachel_Scope
    Rachel_Scope Posts: 5,353 Online Community Team

    Where did you read about PIP @ricky1040? There are so many scaremongering articles out there, I wish they were banned! It's a great idea to try not to think about it until/if it happens.

  • ricky1040
    ricky1040 Community Member Posts: 239 Empowering

    I think it was the guardian

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,113 Championing
    edited October 9

    If this has any truth to it, its not surprising, Kendall took the 4 points idea from the PIP consultation, these proposals come from the same consultation. Different government but still same people formulating the proposals, plus still the same ideology to cut disability benefits.

    The obvious flaw with the reward based on costs idea, is that there is little chance of them recognising all potential costs, its likely to be a set list, which seems to be where we going given they already listed examples. As an example will they recognise the cost of ordering food online because cannot get to a shop.

    Will they recognise the cost of paying rent out of PIP because current housing benefit law does not fully cover rent.

    The obvious benefit to the government of this idea is they can set a target spending level, and then just continuously keep tweaking what they consider to be eligible costs to meet spending targets.

    We dont know for certain yet what will happen other than there will be a big cut of some sort. Either eligibility, cash spend, or both.

  • JulieTuesday
    JulieTuesday Community Member Posts: 70 Contributor

    I feel something is coming too, I am trying in a very small way to save some money for when this all happens. I shop online for everything, my bank account looks like I have shares in Amazon! I don't have a car and wish I did but my money just doesn't stretch that far. I am housebound and rely on a friend to take me to hospital for regular check ups, if he can't then we have good taxis around here. Any cuts to my income will catastrophic. I am so sad for everyone. 😞

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,773 Championing
    edited October 10

    I agree with you - possibly by means testing PIP - Which would affect me dramatically !

    If they did means test PIP - It would be incredibly unfair because my disability is not means tested - it does not get any less painful because I have savings - which incidentally are the result of medical retirement and careful use of savings from 16 years ago…

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 2,115 Championing

    We had all this 'something is coming' last year, and the year before. Why torment yourselves with the unknown?

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,113 Championing
    edited October 12

    It's not going to be means tested, that they already announced.

  • sben
    sben Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 154 Empowering

    If PIP is not means tested, why don't they believe a word that I say and understand how I cope with my disabilities?