Resolution Foundation - Should One In Six Working Age PIP Claimants Lose Cash?

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  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,662 Championing
    edited October 17

    Lol, I was summarising the points you made in your reply to Chris rather than quoting you word for word. You said that denying benefits to someone who needs them isn't support, and that neither is taking benefits away because someone is under 25 real practical help which is pretty much what I said in my post, except I used the word PIP because that's what the discussion is about, which I guess I shouldn't have done if you didn't mean just that benefit in particular.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,451 Championing
    edited October 17

    Lol. I said:

    Under 25s should not be excluded from disability benefits because they're under 25! Taking it away from existing claimants because they're under 25 should be unthinkable.

    Ps PIP is the disability benefit for under 25s of working age!

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,662 Championing

    I know what you wrote, I'm not disputing your wording, I'm explaining what I understood your point to be. You said denying benefits to someone who needs them isn't support and that taking benefits away because someone is under 25 isn't real, practical help. That's precisely what I was summarising.

    I'm not sure what you think I've got wrong, because quoting your original post again doesn't actually contradict anything I said. And yes, I know PIP is a disability benefit, I mentioned it because that's what the discussion is about.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 2,131 Championing
    edited October 18

    Can somebody help me, please? 🚽

  • Community_Scope
    Community_Scope Posts: 2,489 Online Community Team

    Just a gentle reminder to keep things civil please

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 456 Empowering

    Does a 'mildly disabled' person even meet the criteria for PIP? I'm not an expert by far but the ones relating to mental health or in general the criteria seems quite extreme so I'm not sure this would save much at all. Looking at mental health specifically because it seems so much on the media is focussed on that, how do they decide whose anxiety is 'mild' and whose is extreme? Does the eligibility criteria not already do that?

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 456 Empowering

    I'm interested in your opinion because otherwise it feels a bit like you only joined the discussion to try and highlight other people's differences of opinion which feels a bit stirry if I'm being honest

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 2,131 Championing

    You make a good point about the current eligibility criteria being the decider here, I am no expert in these matters, but I am concerned about the future of this important disability payment.

    The Resolution Foundation are a left leaning think-tank, and even they are concerned about the ballooning number of PIP applicants and new claimants. In fact the Frances Ryan article in The Guardian, it also acknowledges that changes are needed.

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 456 Empowering

    I think the increase in diagnoses of ASD and ADHD has probably caused an increase in people realising they are eligible, not because they weren't disabled before, but because they now have an understanding of the cause and having the diagnosis label has made them feel able to apply.

    I'm not an economist but it does sound like the explosion of PIP and DLA claims isn't sustainable so I agree changes are needed, I'm just not sure what and how.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 2,131 Championing

    I wouldn't like the job of redesigning PIP either! I do think that simply having a new ADHD diagnosis, it shouldn't mean one can receive hundreds of pounds per month, not unless they can demonstrate what additional expenses they now have.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 2,131 Championing

    I meant to say, there's a whole industry nowadays for applying for PIP. I believe they are called 'sickfluencers'?

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,662 Championing

    I was genuinely interested in Chris's thoughts on it. He'd said he hoped real, practical help would replace what he saw as inadequate support, while WhatThe was pointing out that taking away benefits isn't practical help. I thought it was an interesting point to ask him about because I wanted to know how he reconciled the two positions. I wasn't trying to stir anything up, just asking a question about the discussion. I'm sorry if my post came across in a bad way as that wasn't what was intended.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Community Member Posts: 6,489 Championing

    I'm struggling to think of any additional costs that I have personally. Since becoming housebound my outgoings have dropped considerably. No diesel for the car, no servicing and maintenance, no entry fees to attractions, even my grocery costs have gone down now that I can't see anything on the shelf and just have to choose 'reliable' basic items for someone else to pick up.

    There is a massive elephant in the room here though…in that the reason my existence is now so confined is largely because of the property I rent. I would be able to do more in a property that was larger and on the ground floor…and that would obviously cost more in rent. So I guess that is a large extra cost based solely on my conditions…but I can't get a more accessible property, so that extra cost isn't there right now. 🤔

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,451 Championing
    edited October 19

    Ditto; I'm indoors most of the time. And I get no PIP so I have to manage with the allowance I do get!

    DWP has made my life so miserable for the last 20 years by denying me entitlement to extra financial support that even if they paid it all to me now, I'd still be miserable and I'm too old to be of use to anyone now. 18 years (and counting) of work-focused interviews (WFI's) has not helped me find and stay in work; they just made me more unwell and more of a burden on the NHS whilst keeping DWP in work.

    Denying financial support does not a claimant cure!