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DLA for 20 years and now 0 points on PIP!

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  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    @Username_removed I'm sorry, I think I've been panicking so much that all this information is swimming around a little bit. I started to panic and think that there was nothing, and then I remembered probably heaps of different times and examples of different situations. Time to get typing..

    Helen x
  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    @mollyoscar the trouble is they could easily argue that I don't NEED a home visit, there is no way I could argue for enhanced and I'd have support to get to an assessment, so the need for a home visit would be small at best. Also, I have a dog who would just bark his way through a home visit ( 3 yo Jack Russell Terrier), that might not go well in my favour, either. I will check out the website for more advice though, thankyou.

    Helen x
  • Government_needs_reform
    Government_needs_reform Community member Posts: 859 Pioneering
    @debbiedo49 did you go to MR/appeal? What do they expect us to do?! I get clamping down on fraudsters but this is crazy! Disabled people shouldn't have to go before a judge to be entitled to benefits - we're disabled, not criminals! For many of us (myself included) that's only going to excacerbate our condition/s!

    Helen x

    @MrsWolfie2210 and anyone interested.

    Whenever someone tries to use the benefit scrounger argument, refer them to this below.

    The DWP lose more through their own errors than to fraud. Tax avoidance and evasion obviously dwarfs all.

    As you can see Benefit fraud is minimal....


    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    @Government_needs_reform how interesting. And yet, we're the bad guys..
  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    @mollyoscar I've just been looking at the '50 ways.to challenge a healh assessment' file... wow! So, so many things I could throw the book at the HP for! From the decision she noted that I have no issues balancing, she never tested my balance. She said I had no problems hearing, she told me she was going to conduct a 'basic hearing assessment', I was never told if of when she did and as far as I was aware that was absent from my assessment, and there are other points I can add too, like the assessment being on the first floor! Buckle up and grab the popcorn, things are about to get interesting..

    Helen x
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,333 Disability Gamechanger
    A home visit is of no use here because you've already had your face to face assessment and you're now asking for the MR.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,333 Disability Gamechanger
    During a face to face assessment you're watched from the minute you arrive to the minute you leave. The HCP may not have tested your hearing or balance but you were most likely observed during the whole assessment. If you have mobility issues you would have been watched walking into and leaving the room. Answering the questions, if you didn't ask to repeat what was said because of hearing problems then this may have been noted. All those little things that we wouldn't think of could have happened.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • mollyoscar
    mollyoscar Community member Posts: 2 Listener
    Poppy 123456
    Yes they are very sneaky the way they do things It's so unfair what people have to go through 
  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    Interesting on the hearing side of things, I did, however, explain to her that it was easier for her to hI speak last ar me because she was female (my hearing loss is low-tone not high tone) and that I could face her so that I could lip read. The decision also notes that I walk with a 'shuffling gait' so it will be interesting to see what the HP said. I spent last night making a list of my points for the MR, even without the hearing test, there are still quite a few things that I can argue. 
  • patriciahendy
    patriciahendy Community member Posts: 20 Courageous
    Why has there not been a legal challenge regarding this scandalous cruel treatment? The DWP owes a lot of money to a lot of genuine people.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,333 Disability Gamechanger
    @MrsWolfie2210 do you wear hearing aids in both ears? If you do then it's possible to score 2 points for communicating verbally.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    @patriciahendy I quite agree. I have a friend with Chronic Renal Failure and he has to have dialysis for 4 hours a day, DWP found him to be fit and healthy. He ended up going to appeal and being awarded ER on both components.
  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    @poppy123456 I don't. Most hearing aids are made for high tone hearing loss rather than low tone hearing loss. I was given some analog hearing aids (your 'typical' NHS hearing aid) but they did nothing for me because the software can't programme them fine enough for a mild low-tone hearing loss and they just amplified everything instead. Back donkey's years ago, I had a pair of Starkey digital hearing aids and they were BRILLIANT! However, they were also on trial and had to be returned I believe it was after one year. They turned my life around and I was able to hear good sounds (like the ocean, bees in the garden etc) as well as bad sounds (like the motorway bridge and the railway line) because the hospital was able to programme them fine enough to adapt to and support my hearing loss. They also cost £600 a piece and that's not money I have or can afford on a private prescription, otherwise I woud. Ever since about Year 8 of secondary school (2003?),I've just lip-read :)
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,333 Disability Gamechanger
    Then it may not be possible to score any points in the descriptor communicating verbally. This link may help you understand all the descriptors, there meanings and where it may or may not be possible to score those points.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    edited October 2018
    @poppy123456 yes I'm aware of that, that's why I've let that comment slide and gone for the ones where I really, really have a strong point such as needing supervision with cooking. Guess who accidentally left the cooker on again today because she was unsupervised? Case in point!

    Helen x
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Disability Gamechanger
    @mollyoscar I've just been looking at the '50 ways.to challenge a healh assessment' file... wow! So, so many things I could throw the book at the HP for! From the decision she noted that I have no issues balancing, she never tested my balance. She said I had no problems hearing, she told me she was going to conduct a 'basic hearing assessment', I was never told if of when she did and as far as I was aware that was absent from my assessment, and there are other points I can add too, like the assessment being on the first floor! Buckle up and grab the popcorn, things are about to get interesting..

    Helen x
    Before embarking on a complaint crusade be aware that you will have to have independent evidence to show that what they say happened never happened. As for the first floor, was there a lift there? Were you asked if you could climb the stairs? The assessor will say there was and that you did not object to walking up the stairs - can you prove otherwise?

    In the main it is nothing more than you say, they say. Without independent proof you will probably get nowhere.

  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Disability Gamechanger
    Poppy 123456
    Yes they are very sneaky the way they do things It's so unfair what people have to go through 
    Sneaky probably but necessary. Observations are important - they tell a lot about a person. 
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Disability Gamechanger
    Why has there not been a legal challenge regarding this scandalous cruel treatment? The DWP owes a lot of money to a lot of genuine people.
    Does it? It can't owe money until it issues a decision notice stating that an award is due. 
  • MrsWolfie2210
    MrsWolfie2210 Community member Posts: 42 Courageous
    @Yadnad so correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're basically saying is that despite having been disabled for all of my 30 years (and having the medical history to prove it), the DWP have now effectively decided that, because I've been discharged, I'm effectively cured of everything and fit for work because I haven't had any specialist input in the past 4 years? Proving anything is going to be nigh on impossible, It really is my word against theirs.
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Disability Gamechanger
    edited October 2018
    @Yadnad so correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're basically saying is that despite having been disabled for all of my 30 years (and having the medical history to prove it), the DWP have now effectively decided that, because I've been discharged, I'm effectively cured of everything and fit for work because I haven't had any specialist input in the past 4 years? Proving anything is going to be nigh on impossible, It really is my word against theirs.
    Yep that seems to be their opinion so far.

    I've been where you are 
    Indefinite High rate DLA for both Care and Mobility since 1995.

    Since 2013 I have had 3 face to face PIP assessments and all three resulted in 0 points.
    In the assessors' reports their justification was that I no longer have specialist input for both mental and physical issues - simply my GP now looks after me.

    I'm not cured either, but it is for the claimant to prove that the illness/condition/disability actually exists. then again for the claimant to prove why and that the relevant PIP descriptors fit the impact of those on your life.

    I have had 5 years of this rubbish and decided earlier this year that enough was enough.



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