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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,330 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2019
    All of what you said above tells me that you really don't understand the PIP descriptors or what they mean at all. E doesn't fit you because you go out, although you say you don't go out much, you still go out and for this to apply then going out once would mean you don't qualify. Night time doesn't include this descriptor.

    This descriptor is most likely to apply to claimants with cognitive, sensory or developmental impairments, or a mental health condition that results in overwhelming psychological distress, who cannot, due to their impairment, work out where to go, follow directions, follow a journey safely or deal with unexpected changes in their journey, even when the journey is familiar. A claimant who suffers overwhelming psychological distress whilst on the familiar journey and who needs to be accompanied to overcome the overwhelming psychological distress may satisfy descriptor 1F. So, overwhelming psychological distress applies here.

    You say you're problems are easier to see in person than on paper but you're going to request a paper based hearing, that really doesn't make any sense to me.

    I don't know why you think that enhanced mobility should only apply to those who can't walk.



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  • Pipquestions2
    Pipquestions2 Community member Posts: 92 Pioneering
    edited February 2019
    All of what you said above tells me that you really don't understand the PIP descriptors or what they mean at all. E doesn't fit you because you go out, although you say you don't go out much, you still go out and for this to apply then going out once would mean you don't qualify. Night time doesn't include this descriptor.

    This descriptor is most likely to apply to claimants with cognitive, sensory or developmental impairments, or a mental health condition that results in overwhelming psychological distress, who cannot, due to their impairment, work out where to go, follow directions, follow a journey safely or deal with unexpected changes in their journey, even when the journey is familiar. A claimant who suffers overwhelming psychological distress whilst on the familiar journey and who needs to be accompanied to overcome the overwhelming psychological distress may satisfy descriptor 1F. So, overwhelming psychological distress applies here.

    You say you're problems are easier to see in person than on paper but you're going to request a paper based hearing, that really doesn't make any sense to me.

    I don't know why you think that enhanced mobility should only apply to those who can't walk.





    How does it make sense that, if anxiety is the reason you can't go out, being able to go out sometimes earns you 12 points, but not being able to go out at all earns you 10 points? That's not very logical and if anything the roles should be reversed. Not saying you're wrong, I originally thought I should get 12 points for this too, but I changed my mind in recent months because of what I've mentioned here.

    Looking at those descriptors at face value, someone similar to me but who is much worse than I am and unable to go out period, would only get standard rate while me, who is in a slightly better place would be entitled to enhanced. That doesn't really make any sense at all.

    Well the assessment didn't help me much and I showed up to that & it's not as simple as 'do this and it will help your case', if it was that simple I wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Right now i'm focused on waiting on a MR response but I don't see myself going to Tribunal.


    Edit: Actually, your post kind of answers our question that E and F are different.. F related to if your anxiety causes it so that you don't know where to go, etc. That's not the case with me. I know where to go, I know where things are, I just can't go out alone even though I'd know where to go etc.

    On further reading..

    "A claimant who satisfies 1E cannot also satisfy 1F. If they cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied."


    Wouldn't this bolded section fit me more? Although that's basically a copy of what F means and contradicts itself? This is sounding like the communication descriptor all over again..
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,330 Disability Gamechanger
    Descriptor E is . Cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant.

    The descriptor regarding communicating was previously answered in the other thread. Anyway, there's no further advice i can give you regarding this because i've done everything i can possibly do on an internet forum. I wish you good luck and hope you have a decision that's right for you, whether it's the MR or Tribunal.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
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  • Pipquestions2
    Pipquestions2 Community member Posts: 92 Pioneering
    edited February 2019
    Descriptor E is . Cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant.

    The descriptor regarding communicating was previously answered in the other thread. Anyway, there's no further advice i can give you regarding this because i've done everything i can possibly do on an internet forum. I wish you good luck and hope you have a decision that's right for you, whether it's the MR or Tribunal.

    Just to make it clear - not really looking for a discussion on this again, and I'm not saying you're wrong - cause you're probably right, but this gov.uk website is quite literally one contradiction after another. Either that or you need a degree in English to understand it. The two red boxes I have highlighted below literally contradict each other to an absolute T. Unless I'm an idiot, which may be accurate.

    In one paragraph, you're entitled to it only if you can't go out without another person, in the very next paragraph, you're entitled to it even if occasionally you can go out with another person. I could be an idiot as I've said but to me that's a gigantic contradiction and really doesn't make any sense at all.



  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,330 Disability Gamechanger
    ilovecats said:
    Do any of you know if the DWP will ever contact your GP for further information (if requested they do so in MR)? I am aware the chances are low and might not happen, but is GP contact 100% made by the assessor or is there a chance that the DWP will contact also?
    If they are contacted then it will be the HCP that does it and not DWP.

    Just add, its unlikely the Face to face HCP will contact any medical professionals. 
    It is back office HCP's who make requests for information and that is only if they feel your review may be able to be completed on paper.
    @ilovecats Thanks for that. Just out of curiosity, when i applied for PIP for my daughter for the first time last year (i'm her appointee) i sent in evidence from the community mental health team, which went into considerable length of detail about her conditions, how they affect her, the support she needed and the things she can and can't do. All related to the descriptors that applied to her. Not because i asked for it but because of the recent assessment she'd had done in the few months before the claim.

    She was called for a face to face assessment, which lasted 1 hour 10 minutes and was done at home, without the need for a letter from her GP.

    After the assessment and before the report was returned back to the DWP (it also went to audit for 5 weeks) they contacted someone from the community mental health team to ask about her ability to go out alone and did she ever travel alone. If it's only back office HCP's that make those requests then why was someone contacted after the assessment took place? Just wondering why they would do this.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,330 Disability Gamechanger
    Thanks for that, much appreciated. Didn't mean to highjack the thread with my question, not something i usually do. Was just curious as to the reasons why. Totally understand the reasons. Infact the person the was contacted is extremely difficult to get hold of, which could explain when they were eventually contacted after the assessment took place.

    To be totally honest with you, i've never had a bad report for any claim but i know a lot of people do but as i always say, we only hear that bad stories.

    Thanks also for answering the question so well about following and planning a journey. I tried to explain it that way but my brain wouldn't allow me.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,330 Disability Gamechanger
    Thanks for that. Yikes, not the greatest whether to be driving in, that's for sure. Glad you arrived home safely!
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Pipquestions2
    Pipquestions2 Community member Posts: 92 Pioneering
    edited February 2019

    Got my MR result today so 100% can say they never contacted my Dr as expected. Basically says because i'm under no specialist input I don't have anxiety.

    It also says "You cannot go out, engage with others due to severe social anxiety, however you have submitted a police notice regarding asbo behaviour on your part. this is entirely contradictory"..... The asbo was issued by the hospital ward where I was forced to stay overnight without visitors , how that's contradictory i'll never know... If anything I'd say it proves my point as to what happens when I'm left alone... I made it clear this was issued by the hospital, but I'm assuming they think it was me going around causing mayhem in the street or something? lol

    ANother part says "You are sufficiently motivated to play complex video games and interact with others online"... No I don't interact with others online!  The assessor asked if I play with others online, this is true because online gaming is basically 90% of the games. But no, I don't interact with them, I don't speak with them over voice chat etc for the same reason I can't speak on the phone.., they are essentially a computer. I thought this was about face to face anyways and not online?


    Anyways, what is the tribunal form name that I can print out? And do I have to resubmit previous evidence, or can I submit new evidence aswell? Edit: Nvm found the form and it answers my second question aswell.

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