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poppy123456 said:This comment.."if it appears to have been filled out professionally then there could be some doubt as to its truthfulness." advice centres fill out forms for people all the time. In fact DWP have representatives that also help fill out the forms. Scaring people doesn't help, especially when they have no where else to turn.
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Having recently completed both an ESA review for myself and a PIP review form for my daughter, if at the time i needed help filling in the forms i wouldn't have hesitated in contacting an advice agency to help me do that. Which i have done for every other review in the past. I would never allow a DWP rep to help me do that, although i know they do. Not once did i ever suggest not writing down word for word what the claimant says.Thankfully, i didn't need the help this time and completed both forms myself. When i filled out the forms i put as much information as possible about how we're affected by our conditions. I don't know why anyone would simply put "no change" and leave it at that.I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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poppy123456 said:Having recently completed both an ESA review for myself and a PIP review form for my daughter, if at the time i needed help filling in the forms i wouldn't have hesitated in contacting an advice agency to help me do that. Which i have done for every other review in the past. I would never allow a DWP rep to help me do that, although i know they do. Not once did i ever suggest not writing down word for word what the claimant says.Thankfully, i didn't need the help this time and completed both forms myself. When i filled out the forms i put as much information as possible about how we're affected by our conditions. I don't know why anyone would simply put "no change" and leave it at that.
For me it was a bad experience which has left me with no faith in any of them made more apparent when the CAB in 2013 told me that they would telephone me with a time and date to go see them - now nearly 6 years later I still haven't received that phone call.
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The forms are not the easiest things to understand and the DWP do not help make it clear with what is required. For many people faced with filling out these forms it can be overwhelming and it may be better to seek advice and help where possible.As a last resort I would use the DWP service but having completed the form I would not allow them to take the form away. I would want to read it or get someone I trust to do so. I would correct any part that I considered wrong and then when satisfied that my claim was as good as it could be, take a copy before returning the formBe all you can be, make every day count. Namaste
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CockneyRebel said:The forms are not the easiest things to understand and the DWP do not help make it clear with what is required. For many people faced with filling out these forms it can be overwhelming and it may be better to seek advice and help where possible.As a last resort I would use the DWP service but having completed the form I would not allow them to take the form away. I would want to read it or get someone I trust to do so. I would correct any part that I considered wrong and then when satisfied that my claim was as good as it could be, take a copy before returning the form
I was in 2013 as well as in 2015 and in 2017 confused and completely not really understanding how to complete the PIP2 form. Eventually they were fudged and completed to a standard that I believed that the DWP wanted to see.
Seeking help I have no problem with for others but they should be understanding that taking that advice or help is at the claimants own risk with no guarantees attached.
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Having used the help of CAB multiple times in the past, they don't send the forms for you. They copy the forms and give them back for you, for you to post yourself. Don't know about welfare rights, a law centre or DWP rep.
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poppy123456 said:Having used the help of CAB multiple times in the past, they don't send the forms for you. They copy the forms and give them back for you, for you to post yourself. Don't know about welfare rights, a law centre or DWP rep.
But if when you get the forms back and ready for the post but notice errors and then correct them, what the CAB have will not be the same as what the DWP receive? I presume that you would copy them again?
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ilovecats said:The forms I came across that had been filled out by the DWP, often were just ticks, no written information at all most of the time. A bit of a disservice to those who need help.
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As always face to face advice is the best way. Even using more than one organization if available and you want a second opinion.
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poppy123456 said:ilovecats said:The forms I came across that had been filled out by the DWP, often were just ticks, no written information at all most of the time. A bit of a disservice to those who need help.
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djbantiques said:As always face to face advice is the best way. Even using more than one organization if available and you want a second opinion.
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Sorry to change the subject, just a quick question as my son has an ESA in 2 days time. Do you have to tell them before hand if someone is going with the claimant?
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wildlife said:Sorry to change the subject, just a quick question as my son has an ESA in 2 days time. Do you have to tell them before hand if someone is going with the claimant?
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wildlife said:Sorry to change the subject, just a quick question as my son has an ESA in 2 days time. Do you have to tell them before hand if someone is going with the claimant?
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Oh dear I am his appointee but his Dad is his carer and knows a lot more about him as he see him everyday. I wasn't going to go because I can't cope with the stress. Just goes to show how inflexible the system is.
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If you didn't attend with him then the assessment can't go ahead. This is the whole reason you're his appointee. It should state this in the letter you received about the face to face assessment.
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Appointee - yes, you speak for him.
Carer - no legal right of audience unfortunately.
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Yadnad said:djbantiques said:As always face to face advice is the best way. Even using more than one organization if available and you want a second opinion.
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djbantiques said:
Grief you are expecting a lot! Many on this site and those that I know including myself can't find one decent one to get any advice or help from never mind a couple of them for a second opinion.
I pointed out that a great number of people including myself that would like help do not even get the offer of any quality help.
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Yadnad said:djbantiques said:
Grief you are expecting a lot! Many on this site and those that I know including myself can't find one decent one to get any advice or help from never mind a couple of them for a second opinion.
I pointed out that a great number of people including myself that would like help do not even get the offer of any quality help.
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