received ESA report in full this morning, yes on a Bank holiday Monday
As this report is supposed to be based on facts, let me correct just some of the inaccuracies written, and so called spoken by me on the day, on reading the whole report, it's as if it was for someone else, kind of like me, but different in a number of ways, which I can now go into, with the follow errors corrected.
Again done by a Nurse with little to no understanding on my medical conditions or even with a minuscule ability to write / type what a person speaks word for word, as most of this in the report I was supposed to have said doesn't tally up with not only my 5 previous statements / reports or what I said, as there is no recording of the exam, even though I asked for it in advance on the form and on the day ( only to be told when asked, it would mean a failed to attend if I cancelled it now because of the lack of it) , in the end it's my word against hers, but as I have 4 past statements, I can at least say without any reproach to myself that any sane person would disagree with this report, and the persons competence with the amount of errors corrected.
Page 2 item 1
Medical conditions extra missed off, but mentioned on the day and in writing supplied and photo copied in advanced and sign and dated as received.
Report states, back problems, when I said the correct terms,
spondyloarthropathy, spondylarthritis.
canal stenosis with posterior disc bulges at L2/3 and L3/4, sagittal and axial T1 and T2, degeneration of lumber spine.
A degenerative disorder of the lower back, can see why she failed to write it down, maybe had no idea on the words, as both degeneration and degenerative both implies getting worse with age and wear, so doesn't really tally in with a 0 score she gave, points 1 to me,...
and where is, in the client states no other health problem?
chronic back pain, Sciatica, Panic attacks, anxiety, stress, frozen shoulder and trapped nerves to name just a few missed out!
Page 2 item 2
Medication, report states I brought none with me, well funny this, as if you go onto my last Tribunal hearing, when it was noted I carried everything with me in a bag brought with me, same one I took and was noted carrying in the above said report, so as I provided all medical notes and all tablets, as I cut the labels out and just keep the name of the tablet, the dose and who's it for etc, so dose, my name and tablet is all there in black and white and provided on the day and written in my notes sent in and received and signed for, so points to me 2.
Page 2 item 3
Medication, again errors in dose and tbh, if she is a Nurse, which beggars me to believe tbh wish such poor written and recording abilities, Paracetamol 1g dose? My god i'm so glad she didn't manage to be a Doctor, as one she can't read, and 2 she can't understand dosage what so ever , if she managed to look at the notes
provided for her and the tablet packets with my name on, she could have copied the correct amount down, not again just guessed something from memory or someone else, correct amount is 500MG, take 2 four times a day, it's not rocket science, it's written in black and white and was provided, so again points 3.
Page 2 item 4
Side affects due to medication,
drowsiness only? I'm sorry but you have got to be taking the wee wee, won't be rude, but as I explained on the day and on the form, side effect are mood swings, drowsiness, temper / aggression, lack of sleep, incontinence, IBS, perforations of the stomach lining (as mentioned in the hospitalized part of the statement) which again was provided but not read or understood. So again, lack of note taking, so another point to me, point 4 now....
Page 2 item 5
Description of Functional ability,
well tbh all of this is what I can remember, but more is missing, a lot more, I suffer from nerves and i'm a nervous talker, when i'm unsure or nervous my mouth wanders and I can blab on a bit, so I know i've mentioned more than this small part, don't agree with alleviate part either, for one with a keyboard and spell checker, i'm not the best of spellers, so tend to stick to words I can spell or get wrong that often that I leave how to use it, alleviate isn't a word I would have used, as my pain killers don't mask the pain some of the time, they are ok apart from when I have a flair up of Sciatica, where no amount of them helps, and where is the part of me saying “ it doesn't stop me from being so stiff, stiff as a board most days” end quote, as I say it so often, she would have been told, way often, as I mentioned how poor the chairs were in the reception compared to the last place, and in the exam, I kept moving as couldn't get comfy either.
Also disagree with the onset part, “many years ago” which sounds like it's not an issue today? Even if my treatment is ongoing? Lol, the more I read, the less I feel her ability to take notes and understand anything said or written, i'm so far going from incompetence to willful lying tbh in her written response, this isn't a verbal recording made for a report, it's fiction written after the facts, on part recollection on what may or may not have been said imo.
So i'll only go for ½ a point to me on this one, with her lack of recording my comments and errors missing some out...
Page 3 item 5a
Hypertension,
no mentioning again of out of breath getting up steps / stairs and any amount of walking, so why so none?
When mentioned and on the forms??????
Bladder Incontinence, again don't agree with many years ago, as for the same reasons, i'm still having it today, it was first medically found and treated many years ago, but same as IBS, both are still going and part of my life, something stress and lies don't make any easier either,...
disagree with amounts also, as like I said, it various from day to day, depending on how many times i've taken, with what else I get as side effects from them, as bladder and IBS is linked to them, plus add on stress on top, equals worse day, more chances of accident happening.
Mirgraine,
onset, again disagree with wording for same reasons, was found with a MRI brain scan yes years ago, but related to high blood pressure and stress, which makes them happen more often.
IBS,
Ditto the onset part for the same reasons, far more details added, yes uncomfortable and private, something she had no empathy with or wrote more details down that she needed to, as I went into more depth, seems she either doesn't like the subject or doesn't understand the outcomes of having it.
Page 4 item 5b
Repetitive strain RSI, ditto on the onset part, as to me again it implies it's not an issue now, but still is and gets worse in rain, damp weather and if on the key board too long, addicted to the net, so my own fault tbh, but don't go out a lot, and not a lot else to do.
Hearing
I don't have my ears tested every time I have my eyes done? So again not something I said either, so another error to add to an every growing list of errors in what is or should have been a factual report!!!
Shoulder
this part is mostly correct, what I said more is i'm work in progress on this part atm, as under the CMATS team in my area, so no more information on it atm, which is why I said it's work in progress and may be arthritis in me shoulder as GP also thinks, as I broke my collar bone and had it pushed through my shoulder blade when I was younger, so maybe why i'm having the problems now that I am with it.
There seems to be a lot missing from this section, even though I brought the paperwork and gave it her on the desk, same as my tablets and medical history is my short condensed form, as the 80 pages of hospital and consultants and professors notes were handed in and signed almost a month before, and I asked on the day if she had received and read the on the day, which she didn't respond with a yes no answer, just went onto the next leading question, which tbh are only there to trip you up, seems I was too smart for her and she didn't like it either.
Arthritis of hip
this is also work in progress, as like I said and wasn't recorded again, seems she only writes what she wishes to portray, as clearly if I say I i'm on pain killers which masks a given amount of pain responses from the brain, to still say I feel no pain only shows ho she lacks the understand on the condition at all, or has the ability to write what a person says on the subject, which is the only reason i'm be transferred to the back specialists in the first place, to see why it's getting worse and the pain killers are no longer effective, so totally disagree with this part, again none factual in a report, if I was her boss, she would be moved to a cleaning job, as her level of understanding on anything on the medical side, is surly lacking in her replies....
Stress related illness
well this part really does imo put icing on the cake, with her lack of basic understanding on the working of side effect, condition overall and long term tablet use, spelling, grammar and missed out parts, and she is supposed to be the professional?
“Has not ha any”
had a childhood psychiatrist at school? No, I had a educational psychiatrist at school to help me with stress of day to day life, not exams, i've not taken a single exam at school in my life and just another inaccuracies to make me wonder about this person incompetence, you have a duty of care as a examining body to me sure your assessor are competent in the field they are doing the assessment in.
Social history,
error on the one flight of stairs part, again, word for word it should be, not something made up to sound better or worse, I said and mentioned I have dog leg stairs, which is 6 steps, then a landing, which turns at an angle then another 6 steps, as my history was from the building trade, it's a common use of the correct term, something else she fails to record, and has no understanding on what is communicated and has little ability to write even a simple report, word for word without making errors and adding inaccuracies, but it gets worse,....
Occupational History
stopped working many years ago, er no, I said and I quote, I was forced to pack in work 20 years ago, and last worked in 1999, last job wasn't a plasterer either, so again she didn't listen.
The main reasons for leaving was family issues?
Lol, now come on, I couldn't make it up? But seems she can? I have no family issues, so where as this come from? From her head, as it's not from my mouth, that is for sure,...
I was Married on the 17th of September 1988, and split up and got devoiced on the 21st of February 1992, as I was having issues with my back, had no idea on what it was, made me poor to live with, then again I was a workaholic so that also didn't help, mood swings, lack of sleep and other issue.
But I still worked for 7 years afterwards, so where was my family issue? In her head, the Nurse, who has no idea on illness, can't even type what a person says, then makes things up afterwards to fit a given picture, you have made my day, this so on only 5 pages will be laughed out, hope you didn't mind me uploading it online, as it seems plenty of others are having a right laugh, at my stress maybe, but tbh I'm so great full for you providing me with such a star, makes the care against you so much easier, and yes once won I will be also going against you, and her, as both are plainly incompetent to a degree which is beyond reasonable doubt.
So another point to me
Page 5 item 6
Description of a typical day,
stairs, nope, it's 6 steps, as all stairs are 13 steps for a standard house, so mines a dog leg, so it's 6 landing then 6 again making 13, if your going to do a report, do it right or not at all.
I don't do all the cooking, only when i'm feeling ok.
Same as washing and dressing.
Never sat for an hour in 20 odd years.
Never stated I could walk into town, I said when I was fitter, many years ago now, I could walk into town, now i'd be lucky to walk to the car and drive to town most days.
Not sure on this part, as again her typing just doesn't make sense, so I'll copy paste then amend it to what Ithink she said, as tbh it's anyone guess what she types or who she got it from with some of her comments, so here we go
“He makes GP bla bla online,,,,, but has not been to the doctors in a long time”? Lol, a Doctor sees me most months about something, but the but that doesn't make sense is the part that I seem to now be female ?
“because they refused to give her some tablets that the hospital recommended” i'm a he not a she, but again her mind is playing tricks on her ability to listen and understand and write a report accurately.
What she means to type and what I said, as it's my history, then in the past, with a previous doctor at my local practice, I was prescribed tablets from after a MRI brain scan, my own doctor at the time refused to give me a repeat proscription, so I argued the point with the practice manager and changed doctors after he said, “she can't change a hospital tablet without consultation with you and was wrong to shout at you in the practice”, all noted in my notes at the practice.
Atm I can do anywhere from 8 to 12 steps without acute pain in my back and hips, so stop every time to rest and recover, doesn't matter if it's on the flat or uphill, steps or anywhere, have enough witnesses who will swear on any bible that I walk like John Wayne, swinging my hips out as I was, are bent in the back, round shoulders and stoop.
See my answers on my page notes sent in on the form sent to you, it says it varies for everything on day to day, so he posts . Recount or report on this contradicts her assessments and replies on my so called Descriptions written on the report.
Another point to me,...
Page 6 item 6 from over the page addendum,
quite a lot still missing from this as well, but as shown, my nerves make me talk a lot, and it takes me a long while to settle down with anyone new, but won't say any of this page is wrong, just some missing that's all, as I waffle on far too much....
Medical Opinion
Page 7 item 7
so as I can't stand or sit without using a chair to lean on, seems she can't see
Client was able to sit in a chair for 55 mins? So was the same person not observing me when I move, alter position and even say “these chairs are about as comfortable as those in reception”?
Seems again she has no understanding on what's wrong with a person, no matter how hard they tell them how long they have prepared for a given assessment, like no food since a given time the day before so they don't need the loo, no liquid from the same amount of time, extra tabled taken to slow me down, quieten me down, calm me down an dull not only my senses, but my ability to feel well really much at all, seems she doesn't record or recollect my glassed eyes, even though she mentioned it on the day?
I know when i'm feeling calm and drugged up, I get into this state often enough to jump through hoops we have to do in life now days to get anything, so I'm now fit for work, on someone looks alone, no matter how many points I can prove she's wrong on?
So reaching, even though mentioned on previous pages, and struggling there and then, she can't see it?
Makes me wonder what the training involves,
as from looks, doesn't seem she was,
from recording, well hopefully I've shown enough of her lack of skills in this department.
From listening, well same answer from above, as what she hears, doesn't get written down, that is for sure, and her lack of typing skills and note taken alone, means she'd never get a job in an office, but medical skills, well none what so ever, i'd hazard a guess that more cleaner at any hospital can see much clearer than she can, and her understanding on anything to do with medical, is sub standard to a point which for me makes her incompetent at worse, inadequate and substandard at best, making not only the test and her not fit for purpose, but the training provided and ability to monitor and maintain and follow guidelines to a given standard, well below par.
So to sum in up in a brief statement now i've seen the full report,
after such insightful comments like,
looks well, coped well, did not require prompting, Behaved normally.... etc etc etc
most pages after 7 are copy paste of previous answers which have just be put in as to fill in a given part, no matter if there relevant or even true, so 28 pages of utter junk, if she is an approved disability Analyst then god help the nursing homes she goes into, and can fully understanding why the system as a whole is not fit for purpose any longer, see you at Tribunal, where medical evidence is read, guidelines are followed and assessors don't make half of it up, and write errors elsewhere to a standard which make me wonder if English has even been past any school level, let alone anywhere else, as not being able to write what a person says in a report accurately makes me wonder at her so called medical skills are altogether.
0 score,
meaning all previous assessments where null and void, so she is better than all the previous one, all 5, she must be such a help around the office and a credit to the NHS, who i'd say will be so sad to see her leave and do this as a job, i'd hazard a guess there were a whip round to see the back of her.
20 years of professors, senior consultants, consultants, and doctors have been over turned on a Nurses opinion from eye sight alone,
one who can't read, as too many errors in the report to say otherwise.
can't write, as the report speaks for itself, and farcical attention to details, mostly and sadly in my case wrong and inaccurate.
Then you wonder why 82% get over turned at Tribunal.
This is now being copied online to various web sites, to my local MP who I had a meeting with on the 18th of May 2019 and sent to the head of the DWP, for no other reasons to show others, how poor the system is, how it is abused and no longer fit for purpose, yes I keep saying this, as had it mentioned now by too many others, to think other wise.
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mostly irrelevant as you only have my replies and don't see the full report, but just to show how many mistakes are made in reports by so called professionals
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Thank you for that it beggers belief how they can say they are straight and honest
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Sometimes assessment reports fall far short of our expectations. All you can do is wait for your decision letter then put in for an MR.I can sense that you are a little miffed by the report.It would be a good idea to get trained advice from an agency near you.MR's and tribunal submissions are best served by showing that you meet the criteria, with examples to paint a picture of your daily life.Any complaint about the report or assessor should be sent to the AP as a separate matter, sadly The DWP will not be interested in anything oher than factsBe all you can be, make every day count. Namaste
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A little miffed I wonder why that is
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clarkjohnson said:A little miffed I wonder why that isBe all you can be, make every day count. Namaste
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This is and must must be the longest post on this forum. We all know or should know by now that the HCPs are not specialists in any one field of medicine. They are trained to use the computer software which has little room for covering every illness, disability and effects of medications of those claiming PIP. When we fill in our application form answering the questions in relation to the PIP descriptors and our abilities to preform them. The assessment then with the input from the assessors questions to you and I taken from our application form has to form an opinion, judgement, on our verbal answers, appearance and physical examination. The fact we can take or send in files of information confirming our diagnosis, illnesses and lists of our medications at the end of the day the assessment is about our, your and mine abilities to preform the PIP descriptors in a safely, repeatedly and in a timely manner. If we where to arrive for an assessment on crutches and said our hobbies where pot holing, cycling the assessor will draw their own conclusions on your abilities regardless of other information supplied. Hence why so many of us go on to MRs then a Tribunal.
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Lol yes it would be difficult riding a bike on crutches very true might be helpful for pulling someone out of a pothole
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Hi,I did manage to read that but what i couldn't see or maybe missed, is the recommendation a group or fit for work?I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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CockneyRebel said:Sometimes assessment reports fall far short of our expectations. All you can do is wait for your decision letter then put in for an MR.I can sense that you are a little miffed by the report.It would be a good idea to get trained advice from an agency near you.MR's and tribunal submissions are best served by showing that you meet the criteria, with examples to paint a picture of your daily life.Any complaint about the report or assessor should be sent to the AP as a separate matter, sadly The DWP will not be interested in anything oher than facts
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Assessment reports are woefully in need of improvement. I briefly looked at the one that was sent to my apartment. I waited for a letter to come then I requested a mandatory reconsideration immediately.
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poppy123456 said:Hi,I did manage to read that but what i couldn't see or maybe missed, is the recommendation a group or fit for work?
so apart from the extra stress and all that comes with it, i'm the same, getting older and worse each year, but on hind sight, i should have said no as soon as they didn't have the recording equipment which was asked for, and recorded on my paper and verbally on the day, but that's my fault, so i live and learn, i'm posting it here so others know, there not alone, and fight it, as when professionals do such a botch job, make them pay, when the DWP cares less, stand up and state, sorry i'm not a number, i'm a person with rights and the law on my side, and while i stay honest, seems not the same can be said with your assessors, the whole thing isn't fit for purpose and needs a review, to get a fairer, and medical assessment, not on looks alone, and done by the right people, those qualified to know, not some second or 3rd rate nurse who wouldn't get a job in the 3rd world country, let alone our NHS. these sort of people need to be removed, so there lack of knowledge and lack of understanding of simple medical details doesn't make others lives a misery with all the extra stress and worry that it brings,... -
wilko said:This is and must must be the longest post on this forum. We all know or should know by now that the HCPs are not specialists in any one field of medicine. They are trained to use the computer software which has little room for covering every illness, disability and effects of medications of those claiming PIP. When we fill in our application form answering the questions in relation to the PIP descriptors and our abilities to preform them. The assessment then with the input from the assessors questions to you and I taken from our application form has to form an opinion, judgement, on our verbal answers, appearance and physical examination. The fact we can take or send in files of information confirming our diagnosis, illnesses and lists of our medications at the end of the day the assessment is about our, your and mine abilities to preform the PIP descriptors in a safely, repeatedly and in a timely manner. If we where to arrive for an assessment on crutches and said our hobbies where pot holing, cycling the assessor will draw their own conclusions on your abilities regardless of other information supplied. Hence why so many of us go on to MRs then a Tribunal.
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CockneyRebel said:Sometimes assessment reports fall far short of our expectations. All you can do is wait for your decision letter then put in for an MR.I can sense that you are a little miffed by the report.It would be a good idea to get trained advice from an agency near you.MR's and tribunal submissions are best served by showing that you meet the criteria, with examples to paint a picture of your daily life.Any complaint about the report or assessor should be sent to the AP as a separate matter, sadly The DWP will not be interested in anything oher than facts
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Very interesting there seems to be numerous accounts of lying going on and liars should be made accountable because it’s a crime
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it may not be all like this, it maybe just be something as simple as over worked, or under staffed, or a combination of many factors, like hidden targets etc, as while any charity websites only show the bad news, plenty with me included have had positive comments from previous experiences as well, the DWP cares less about anything overall, and is quite happy that it's contracted out again no matter the outcome tbh, so with any amounts of fact given, the chances of a appeal succeeding in the MR stages are very low, don't have this years data, but someone may have, but the over turn rate for Tribunal last year was 82% success rate, which tbh makes a mockery out of the whole system overall, as it's just not fit for purpose, we all know plenty on it, which shouldn't be, who should get acting awards and not help, but on the other side of the coin, we all know someone, who deserves it and fails, so is let down by the system, through no fault of there own, for me what would make the system fairer is medical information must be taking into account at earlier stages , and with assessors being better qualified, not just some random Nurse who couldn't get or couldn't keep a job in the NHS or private sector being hired with little in the way of understanding medicine as a whole, and no idea what so ever on disability parts, which are varied and quite complicated and complex
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Yes I’ve said before I had penile cancer and the girl was in her 20 s at the assessment I mean how would she no the issues I have been put through. It was basically what time do u get up and can you move your toes she gave the impression of I couldn’t less mr
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after my second phone call to see how my MR was progressing, today i've been told, after 6 weeks and 2 phone calls, they still haven't even received it, and it matters less that i have a signed and delivered note saying other wise, as sent recorded post, so there's my first tip, and here's my second, both times i phoned, it was put onto my account, so they knew what i was phoning for, and also can't now say i've gone over the month to appeal with the MR either, so while on the phone, they made me a local appointment at my local job center where i'm off to on Monday and will take the copy of what i kept for them to photo copy and send to them asap, so seems either they lost it, or just are giving me the run around, but in the end, it will just now take longer, but this way, they said on a recorded message, that it will be sorted within 10 days of receipt, so only 6 weeks behind, but hay ho, what doesn't kill me, only gives me more stress, so record everything, date and time all phone calls and get names and make sure it's logged on your account, as proof,
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so to update this, i've taken out a formal complaint against the nurse who did my ESA WCA in the first place with the company who hired her, and also with the NMC, so no matter what the out come of the MR, no matter how late it is, i will still be fighting for my rights with the other 2 either way, can't see the MR working either, so still pin my hopes on the Tribunal, and will update either way, so stay strong everyone and keep alive and fighting, as they do try very hard to wind us up and make it so hard, most give up in the process.
seems i won't go the same way, no matter the stress it causes and will take it as far as it will go, then fight some more to keep it going, for the others who can't, so in the end, the system changers, or i give up with old age and a care less attitude that some in the DWP have gotten into -
well Monday soon came and almost went, been to the job center today and met a man with almost the same conditions as myself on the other side of the table, had a good old chat, while he photocopied my photocopies of the forms the DWP had already lost once and shook my hand and wished me luck, he said the DWP as he worked in the job center were very good employer's and made him at home and switched his tasks daily if needed to suit his needs, but no wheelchair access to the canteen, so has to crawl up stairs to get a drink and break, so not all roses there either, so finally they have my MR, only 6 plus weeks later, after losing one already after it had been signed for, so now i'm back on track, to be told no, and then to Tribunal,...
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today the 15 of June 2019 only 61 days now after i failed a WCA for the DWP on ESA in the support group, so now only 61 days without money, =£0 from them, and still maybe a week or more before they say they will send me details from my MR, so still waiting DWP, then again the assessment center today has posted there findings on my case and formal complaint and it filled 2 pages and was full of well nothing tbh, apart from lip service, so that's one door shut with no interest, and now wait for the nursing and midwifery council to do the same, as tbh i don't hold my breath from either of them doing squat, as per normal the professional world just buries it's head in the sand, but it all add's up to more proof for me as soon as i go to Tribunal, so everyone reading, make notes, matters little how often you fail, it's how many times you try that matters in the end
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