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PIP / Adult Disability Payment (ADP)

tcellmutationtcellmutation Member Posts: 177 Pioneering
edited April 14 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hello

I understand that in Scotland PIP is being replaced by Adult Disability Payment (ADP). Can we expect this to happen in England and if so apart from the name change what exactly is changing?

Thanks

Update:

What i did find out is 
  • all awards will be made on a rolling basis
  • where a person’s condition is unlikely to improve there will be at least 5 years between ‘light-touch reviews’
Unlike here in England the PIP benefit i was awarded 2 years ago which is an ongoing award with a "light touch review" in 10 years

p.s. (i know they can review us at anytime)

Replies

  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,755 Pioneering
    edited April 14
    It is a Scottish government initiative under devolved powers. It seems, to me, unlikely that England will follow  in the near future.

    Scotland appears to be changing the rules for terminal illness. The Westminster government have also said they are looking at that for PIP (and other benefits)

    Rolling basis of awards would be a great improvement.

    The major policy intent seems to be not having functional assessments and for claimant consultations to only take place if there is insufficient evidence to enable a decision to be made without one.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/consultation-adult-disability-payment/pages/8/

    As regards ‘light touch’ the implication is that far more awards in Scotland will be treated as light touch.

    obviously how all this works out in practice will only become clear over time.

    To some extent the proposals reverse some of the changes introduced when PIP was introduced to replace a DLA.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,284 Disability Gamechanger
    Good summary @calcotti. As it is effectively a roll back in key areas I’m not sure it solves anything . It just reintroduces old problems. Matter of time before Scottish Tories seize upon it and use it to allege waste, fraud etc. and basically rehash the fake arguments used to introduce PIP.
  • tcellmutationtcellmutation Member Posts: 177 Pioneering
    edited April 14
    calcotti said:
    It is a Scottish government initiative under devolved powers. It seems, to me, unlikely that England will follow  in the near future.

    Scotland appears to be changing the rules for terminal illness. The Westminster government have also said they are looking at that for PIP (and other benefits)

    Rolling basis of awards would be a great improvement.

    The major policy intent seems to be not having functional assessments and for claimant consultations to only take place if there is insufficient evidence to enable a decision to be made without one.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/consultation-adult-disability-payment/pages/8/

    As regards ‘light touch’ the implication is that far more awards in Scotland will be treated as light touch.

    obviously how all this works out in practice will only become clear over time.

    To some extent the proposals reverse some of the changes introduced when PIP was introduced to replace a DLA.

    "Work is underway to establish parameters that could be put in place for the provision of indefinite awards for certain clients whose needs are very unlikely to change"

    That sounds good. Even better than a "10 year light touch review".

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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,284 Disability Gamechanger
    It does “sound” good. Very much a case of careful what you wish for. Exactly the same thing led to the end of DLA. 
  • tcellmutationtcellmutation Member Posts: 177 Pioneering
    edited April 14
    It does “sound” good. Very much a case of careful what you wish for. Exactly the same thing led to the end of DLA. 

    Hopefully it'll come back now the PIP assessments are a lot more stringent and now people can't get £40K cars on the motability scheme.
  • tcellmutationtcellmutation Member Posts: 177 Pioneering
    edited April 14
    What I don't understand is the following latter part of the statement...

    "The government will be working with stakeholders to design the light touch review process – for example, by providing information on services available and ensuring that contact or bank details have not changed"

    I'm pretty sure people would have contacted them to update their bank details?!
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,284 Disability Gamechanger
    Why would you be pretty sure of that. A failure to notify a change of circumstances is the single biggest cause of overpayments across the UK.
  • tcellmutationtcellmutation Member Posts: 177 Pioneering
    Why would you be pretty sure of that. A failure to notify a change of circumstances is the single biggest cause of overpayments across the UK.

    If someones bank account had changed they wouldn't be receiving the benefit money?
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,284 Disability Gamechanger
    And you would be shocked at how many people don’t notice that. Often for years.
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