why were people on ESA ignored when people on UC got an extra £20 per week

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  • TheAlien
    TheAlien Online Community Member Posts: 228 Empowering
    You also have the problem of the credit running out when you don't expect it. 

    I got mine removed because there were several times that I was having to travel miles to put credit on the meter because of localised faults with the payment points.

    From your post in the other thread, it sounds like its the gas fire use that's causing the high bills.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    janer1967 said:
    @lisathomas50 be careful as pre pay meters usually have a higher tariff 
    Pre pay meters and pay as you go tariffs are not the same thing.

    Pay as you go means that you get a monthly bill based on the usage in the last month as reported by the smart meter. This will result in high bills in winter and low bills in summer. This compares with paying a fixed amount every month of the year based on expected annual usage.

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?
  • mrpip2002uk
    mrpip2002uk Online Community Member Posts: 73 Contributor
    we had a smart meter installed after being pestered by our supplier for months to have one in!
    the only people that gain from the smart meter are our gas and electric supplier?
    once you have your smart meter installed the meter readers dont have to come to our address to read the meter,
    therefore the people who lose out over time is the poor meter readers who lose their job.
    so basically the smart meters have put all the meter readers out of work,more humans having there jobs replaced by computers?
    ps we havnt saved any money on bills since we went onto the smart meter,we still use the same amount of fuel,its a bit of a con really.
    you can see which of you appliances use the most,but you still have to use them? 
  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    we had a smart meter installed after being pestered by our supplier for months to have one in!
    the only people that gain from the smart meter are our gas and electric supplier?
    once you have your smart meter installed the meter readers dont have to come to our address to read the meter,
    therefore the people who lose out over time is the poor meter readers who lose their job.
    so basically the smart meters have put all the meter readers out of work,more humans having there jobs replaced by computers?
    ps we havnt saved any money on bills since we went onto the smart meter,we still use the same amount of fuel,its a bit of a con really.
    you can see which of you appliances use the most,but you still have to use them? 
    Or the meter readers were trained to install smart meters
  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    Smart meters have saved me money. Now I have complete control over my energy usage with the installation of smart Alexa plugs. Saved a ton. I tell Alexa to turn off my devices at night. Its a pretty smart setup I have. Quite a few plugs doing different things. If you know what you are doing then I believe smart meters can help you save money 
  • mrpip2002uk
    mrpip2002uk Online Community Member Posts: 73 Contributor
    once the ex meters readers have finnished istalling the meters to everyone, what job will they do then?
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    tcellmutation said:.. If you know what you are doing then I believe smart meters can help you save money 
    Although that is true they have been massively oversold as if they will save people money. They only save money if people change their energy use in response to the information provided
  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    once the ex meters readers have finnished istalling the meters to everyone, what job will they do then?
    Uninstall all the smart meters
  • mrpip2002uk
    mrpip2002uk Online Community Member Posts: 73 Contributor
    very true calcotti,most of us on very low income have already changed our energy use  a while ago.
  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    I'll be getting £140 from She'll Energy soon as part of the Warm Home Discount scheme :)
  • mrpip2002uk
    mrpip2002uk Online Community Member Posts: 73 Contributor
    yeh,most people on low incomes should be getting it,so long as they have applied for it.
  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering
    I pay £55 per month for my electricity. I do not have gas, just all electric. I've paid £55 per month from the beginning of the year. I'm £6 in credit at the moment so good going so far. I have a 2 bedroom apartment. My place doesn't really get cold, I'm in shorts and t-shirt atm, no heating. Only when it's really really really cold do I need it on. 
  • Amalegra
    Amalegra Online Community Member Posts: 37 Empowering
    With regards to the conversation about benefit entitlement, I wonder if anyone here has tried a forum called ‘Benefits to Work’? You can get quite a lot of free information from it and if you take out a subscription, which I recommend, it is about £20 pa but they have regular offers where it is discounted to £15. It is a mine of support and info re entitlements, appeals etc and was the only resource I had when doing a PIP appeal a few years ago as the CA had no one who could help and social worker assistance is only available to council tenants here, which I am not. I won my appeal and don’t know how I would have managed without them! I keep my subscription going as the forum keeps me updated on all the newest developments and issues and as I reach retirement age next year I shall no doubt need the help again. The people who run it are experts and there’s also a lot of claimants who post. I’ve found the site a real lifesaver. Just putting this out there in case it helps anyone. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Amalegra said:
    With regards to the conversation about benefit entitlement, I wonder if anyone here has tried a forum called ‘Benefits to Work’? You can get quite a lot of free information from it and if you take out a subscription, which I recommend, it is about £20 pa but they have regular offers where it is discounted to £15.
    You get exactly the same advice and support here on the community and it's all free. Although the cost to join benefits and work maybe a small amount for some people, for others it's quite a lot to spend when they have very little money to start with.

  • Amalegra
    Amalegra Online Community Member Posts: 37 Empowering
    When I posted re Benefits to Work I was specifically thinking about the appeal guides, I suppose, which take you literally step by step through the appeals form and which I personally found indispensable as it explains precisely how to approach and answer each and every question and gives examples. I know that there is good advice here but I do manage to afford my subscription as the worry of it all would otherwise make me ill with worry and extra anxiety which I suffer badly from in any case. This then exacerbates my other, physical problems. I would prefer to make do with less of almost anything to afford it; obviously it’s a matter of choice! 
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    I am haveing a pay  as you go smart meter it all works on the app and you top up from your bank card so I can top up any time day or night 

    At the moment they are saying I am using 100 00 pound a week so I am paying 400.00 a month just on gas with a pay as you go smart meter I can see how much a day I am using my partner is going to put a small box around the thermostat with a key pad so mum can't touch it 

    At night then once its off its off and I am haveing the gad fires taken out and haveing electric fires that have a bulb thst looks like the fire is on bur it's just the bulb 

    It's hard when you have someone with dementia liveing with you and can't get any help or support apart from her carers so hopeing these things being put in place will help 
  • MarkM88
    MarkM88 Online Community Member Posts: 3,119 Connected
    I'll be getting £140 from She'll Energy soon as part of the Warm Home Discount scheme :)
    Remember they have until March 2022 to pay it. 
    yeh,most people on low incomes should be getting it,so long as they have applied for it.
    That’s not strictly true. Individuals in the core group get it automatically. 

    Individuals who meet the criteria in the broader group are eligible, however companies can’t give it to everyone, so some that applied won’t get it. 
  • Sco76
    Sco76 Online Community Member Posts: 5 Listener
    In response to the original statement, we don't claim UC and even though my wife gets ESA we haven't considered the difference of having the £20 uplift. To some I'd imagine its a god send but you're then in the quandary of what to do with it. You know you're getting something extra and it going to be taken away sometime when you least expect it, that's how our government works.
    So what do you do with it? You can't depend on it as its temporary. Its simply a **** gesture from a government that doesn't give a damn.

    My wife claims PIP and ESA both as legacy payments and I used to claim CA. 3 years ago I had a break down and after that returned to work firstly part time but eventually returning to full time as NMW and CA earning allowance doesn't increase equally thus leaving me fewer hours in a week that I can work without loosing CA which provided us with housing benefit and council tax relief. 
    We moved into a 1 bed bungalow in social housing in 2013 with huge debts on utilities and C/tax which have now been paid off in full and most now in credit through scrimping and scraping and mainly doing without a lot of stuff. My wife's needs have and do always come first as her benefits originally brought the most into the household income, now my earnings have surpassed hers so we pay equally. 

    One thing I've learnt from my time on benefits is that its very hard to live a normal life.
    Direct Debits work against you. Anyone on benefits paying utilities via Direct Debit I would advice you to consider changing to pay as you go meters (PAYG)/key/card (Smart or otherwise). These allow you to decide when the money goes out and how much you spend. There is also the problem that you're usually paying more than what you owe on Direct Debit. Monthly charges are worked out over an average for your postcode and you might be using far less than your neighbors, you will also be paying a small amount in advance and the contract you sign into may not remain at the advertised price for the full term. 
    We're on PAYG for; electric, gas, rent, council tax, water, tv licence and broadband. 
    My electric changes price once a year and I'm advised of this 2 months before it changes, it's literally pennies per Kwh and there's no hidden standing charge on the first Kwh, thats listed separately at 28p per day.
    Taking control of your own payment structure benefits you because benefits get paid in on weekly, fortnightly or 4 weekly increments and not monthly like Direct Debits which are set up for those on a PAYE structure.
    I now have to budget on both levels but I still tailor the budget towards the simple fortnightly & 4 weekly payments of my wife benefits. 
  • Sco76
    Sco76 Online Community Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Apologies for the naughty word. o:)