Can you work if you recieve LCWRA

Jamescasali
Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
edited July 2023 in Universal Credit (UC)
hI , I have read some varying opinions about whether you can or cant, i've seen you can work upto 16 hours without it affecting my UC+LCWRA elements is this correct, i'm just very concerned that if i accept a part time job , that will make the JC think im fit for a full time job , am i right to be concerned or worrying abut nothing 
I've searched as much as i can and still cant seem to find a  definite (enough) answer
I am a single person  45yr-55yr, and 2nd question again , i seem to have seen various limits but how much can i have as savings when getting UC+LCWRA
TIA 
Thanks
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  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    It there no limit on the hours of work for LCWRA. Any earnings are taken into account just to a Working Allowance.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Jamescasali said:
    i seem to have seen various limits but how much can i have as savings when getting UC+LCWRA
    TIA 
    Thanks
    LCWRA is part of UC, which is means tested. Savings of up to £6,000 are disregarded. For every £250 or part there of over that amount there’s a £4.35/month deduction. For savings over £16,000 there’s no entitlement to any means tested benefits.

    Please be aware that if you’re claiming council tax reduction some local Authorities have a maximum savings limit of £6,000 before entitlement to CTR ends. 
  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    poppy123456 said:
    Jamescasali said:
    i seem to have seen various limits but how much can i have as savings when getting UC+LCWRA
    TIA 
    Thanks
    LCWRA is part of UC, which is means tested. Savings of up to £6,000 are disregarded. For every £250 or part there of over that amount there’s a £4.35/month deduction. For savings over £16,000 there’s no entitlement to any means tested benefits.

    Please be aware that if you’re claiming council tax reduction some local Authorities have a maximum savings limit of £6,000 before entitlement to CTR ends. 
    Hi , So if i understand you correctly, its £6k the limit yes
  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    this is all very confusing , because i am waiting for a Tribunal hearing for pip (which i had been receiving) so whilst that is still ongoing , would the limit on saving not count ?
  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    paries1 said:
    Jamescasali said:
    hI , I have read some varying opinions about whether you can or cant, i've seen you can work upto 16 hours without it affecting my UC+LCWRA elements is this correct, i'm just very concerned that if i accept a part time job , that will make the JC think im fit for a full time job , am i right to be concerned or worrying abut nothing 
    I've searched as much as i can and still cant seem to find a  definite (enough) answer
    I am a single person  45yr-55yr, and 2nd question again , i seem to have seen various limits but how much can i have as savings when getting UC+LCWRA
    TIA 
    Thanks
    I’ve posted a similar question to yours and from the advice I’ve been given is that you have a work allowance of £379 pm on LCWRA anything after that is is deducted ( in part ) from your UC. 
    You have to report a change of circumstances on you UC journal the day you start work. 
    My issue is very similar to yours in that I absolutely can’t work full time anymore and was also worried that if I started work it would prompt a review of my LCWRA , and in all honesty I’m pretty sure it would at some point, I can’t see DWP allowing an ongoing work allowance. 

     
    Hi , So what did you do ?

  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    calcotti said:
    It there no limit on the hours of work for LCWRA. Any earnings are taken into account just to a Working Allowance.
    Hi , Sorry im not sure what you actually mean, can you explain a bit more
  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    Ah so this is the work allowance but it doesnt state how many hours  i presume 16

    3. Work Allowance

    In some cases, you may be eligible for a work allowance. A work allowance is the amount that you can earn before your Universal Credit payment is affected.

    You will be eligible for a work allowance if you (and/or your partner) either have:

    • responsibility for a child
    • limited capability for work
    The monthly work allowances are set at:
    £379If you are getting housing costs as part of your Universal Credit award, or housing costs from the Local Authority because you are in temporary accommodation
    £631If you do not receive housing support

    If you have earnings but you (or your partner) are not responsible for a child or do not have limited capability for work you will not be eligible for a work allowance.

  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    edited July 2023
    Jamescasali said:
    calcotti said:
    It there no limit on the hours of work for LCWRA. Any earnings are taken into account just to a Working Allowance.
    Hi , Sorry im not sure what you actually mean, can you explain a bit more
    Apologies. I intended to explain my post but got interrupted! 

    I was going to include the information on the Work Allowance. What you have found is correct.

    UC will taken into any earnings and will deduct the applicable Work Allowance. If any earnings are enough that figure will be multiplied by 55% and the resulting amount will be deducted from your UC.

  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    This all sounds good, accurate and correct, except , i withdraw from a pip appeal , then 2 days later reactivated the appeal, THEN a week later pip wrote and cancelled my pip completely out of the blue, that was a bit of a surprize ill tell you

    So while im waiting for a new tribunal date does the savings limit still apply?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    edited July 2023
    Jamescasali said:
    Ah so this is the work allowance but it doesnt state how many hours  i presume 16



    No, that's not correct. As calcotti advised, there's no limit on the amount of hours you can work.
    Jamescasali said:
    this is all very confusing , because i am waiting for a Tribunal hearing for pip (which i had been receiving) so whilst that is still ongoing , would the limit on saving not count ?

    The limit still applies now. If awarded PIP then any money owed to you will be disregarded from all means tested benefits for 1 year from the date you receive it.
  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    poppy123456 said:
    Jamescasali said:
    Ah so this is the work allowance but it doesnt state how many hours  i presume 16



    No, that's not correct. As calcotti advised, there's no limit on the amount of hours you can work.
    Jamescasali said:
    this is all very confusing , because i am waiting for a Tribunal hearing for pip (which i had been receiving) so whilst that is still ongoing , would the limit on saving not count ?

    The limit still applies now. If awarded PIP then any money owed to you will be disregarded from all means tested benefits for 1 year from the date you receive it.
    Sorry im sounding a bit thick so dyo mean even though om waitinh on a tribunal hearing the 6k limit applies or have i missunderstood sorry to sound dim but what dyo actually mean thanks
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Jamescasali said:
    poppy123456 said:
    Jamescasali said:
    Ah so this is the work allowance but it doesnt state how many hours  i presume 16



    No, that's not correct. As calcotti advised, there's no limit on the amount of hours you can work.
    Jamescasali said:
    this is all very confusing , because i am waiting for a Tribunal hearing for pip (which i had been receiving) so whilst that is still ongoing , would the limit on saving not count ?

    The limit still applies now. If awarded PIP then any money owed to you will be disregarded from all means tested benefits for 1 year from the date you receive it.
    Sorry im sounding a bit thick so dyo mean even though om waitinh on a tribunal hearing the 6k limit applies or have i missunderstood sorry to sound dim but what dyo actually mean thanks

    Why do you think the savings limit doesn't apply while you wait for the hearing? You're claiming UC so it applies.
  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    edited July 2023
    Ah right ok i get it now so  basically under uc +lcwra 6k but under uc+lcwra+pip no limit on savings ok thanks all  im in what i thinks a crazey situation i withdrew my appeal at the tribunal i was challenging the leval of the mobilty award but ad it was explained to me that a tribunal had the power to look at the award as a whole- at that point i decided to withdraw --- only for me to reinstate the tribunal a week later.          A week later pip wrote to me cancelling my whole pip award( daily living upper and mobility lower) with the usual - if  i dont agree i can mr and then go to appeal im a bit frustrated and annoyed as my conditions  hadnt changed infact its got worse i cant help feeling that because i withdrew my appeal they looked at my whole award and decided to cancel it.....ALL
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Jamescasali said:
    Ah right ok i get it now so  basically under uc +lcwra 6k but under uc+lcwra+pip no limit on savings
    No, that's not correct either. LCWRA isn't a benefit on it's own it's part of UC, which is means tested. All of your savings over £6,000 affect all means tested benefits, whether you're claiming PIP or not.

    However, if you're claiming council tax reduction all local Authorities have their own rules and some have a maximum savings limit of £6,000 before entitlement to Council tax reduction ends.

    PIP isn't means tested so savings do not affect it. If you save your PIP money then this is counted as savings for means tested benefits.

    The money you receive from your benefits is classed as income for the period in which it's paid for. After that period it's classed as savings.

    Jamescasali said:
     im in what i thinks a crazey situation i withdrew my appeal at the tribunal i was challenging the leval of the mobilty award but ad it was explained to me that a tribunal had the power to look at the award as a whole- at that point i decided to withdraw --- only for me to reinstate the tribunal a week later.          A week later pip wrote to me cancelling my whole pip award with the usual - if  i dont agree i can mr and then go to appeal im a bit frustrated and annoyed as my conditions  hadnt changed infact its got worse i cant help feeling that because i withdrew my appeal they looked at my whole award and decided to cancel it.....ALL

    I must admit, i've never heard of DWP do that before. You didn't need to cancel your hearing because if they consider removing any points they will warn you before doing so. This would have then given you the chance to cancel your appeal.

    If you go on to have a decision in your favour from the Tribunal, any money owed to you from the PIP award will be disregarded from savings for 1 year, as previously advised.
  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    edited July 2023
    Poppy
    I was warned, i wouldn't call it warned but informed by the judge that   a tribunal can look at it all and decide decrease/increase or remain the same,  Yes well that's ideal knowing that now....   grrrr that they'd warn me. if they were considering deducting parts of my award, now im waiting for a tribunal date,  but whats your advice regarding the letter they sent, should i  challenge it , or just go for an mr

    the coincidence of the pip deletion letter, is for my mind just too much of a coincidence, dyo know  whether the tribunal write back to pip not only saying Mr x withdraw his appeal , but at the tribunal seemed to be as fit as a fiddle to use an expression? ie dyo if  they write a report

    So the advice is if i have over 6k in an account  , remove it


    Thanks
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    To be honest i've not heard of this happening before so i'm not sure what to advise you. Did DWP just stop your award without any review? If they did then i'm not sure if the Tribunal will look at that on this claim or whether you'll need to request the MR again for that decision. I'm hoping someone else will see this and advise you further.
  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    edited July 2023

  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    poppy123456 said:
    To be honest i've not heard of this happening before so i'm not sure what to advise you. Did DWP just stop your award without any review? If they did then i'm not sure if the Tribunal will look at that on this claim or whether you'll need to request the MR again for that decision. I'm hoping someone else will see this




    So they did refer to information received leading them to change the decision ,  one letter from elbow surgeon who a week prior had carried out ulnar nerve reposition surgery, in his letter which  foolishly  forwarded to dwp he wrote Mrx  has full movement in his arm , alls going well, hes doing very well (a week after the op) Dwp say , oh you've full movement , you don't help with x or y , however i wasn't claiming lack of movement just 50% loss of feeling in my hands, yes i've got to have the other elbow done as well, 

    And then a letter from foot surgeon saying good movement , good gait etc etc , now i doubt a hospital consultants room is no bigger than 6ft x 6ft , i don't think i did more than 2  paces, hes carrying out big toe fusion surgery on me, ermmmm because i need it DWP 

    So i think dwp have two these two letters and thought aha , this guy doesnt need pip AT ALL

    Any thoughts  on this now  poppy , sorry i should have said this before



  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Jamescasali said:
    poppy123456 said:
    To be honest i've not heard of this happening before so i'm not sure what to advise you. Did DWP just stop your award without any review? If they did then i'm not sure if the Tribunal will look at that on this claim or whether you'll need to request the MR again for that decision. I'm hoping someone else will see this




    So they did refer to information received leading them to change the decision ,  one letter from elbow surgeon who a week prior had carried out ulnar nerve reposition surgery, in his letter which  foolishly  forwarded to dwp he wrote Mrx  has full movement in his arm , alls going well, hes doing very well (a week after the op) Dwp say , oh you've full movement , you don't help with x or y , however i wasn't claiming lack of movement just 50% loss of feeling in my hands, yes i've got to have the other elbow done as well, 

    And then a letter from foot surgeon saying good movement , good gait etc etc , now i doubt a hospital consultants room is no bigger than 6ft x 6ft , i don't think i did more than 2  paces, hes carrying out big toe fusion surgery on me, ermmmm because i need it DWP 

    So i think dwp have two these two letters and thought aha , this guy doesnt need pip AT ALL

    Any thoughts  on this now  poppy , sorry i should have said this before




    Yes, that evidence could be the reason why they stopped your PIP. Did you send that evidence to the Tribunal yourself?

    With surgery you would expect some improvement at some point, which is why they do surgery to start with. Please note i'm not in anyway saying you're not entitled to PIP because i don't know anything about your health conditions or how they affect you.

    Have you ever got some expert advice from an agency near you? If you haven't then i'd advise you to do this. Start here. https://advicelocal.uk/welfare-benefits


  • Jamescasali
    Jamescasali Online Community Member Posts: 91 Connected
    poppy123456 said:
    Jamescasali said:
    poppy123456 said:
    To be honest i've not heard of this happening before so i'm not sure what to advise you. Did DWP just stop your award without any review? If they did then i'm not sure if the Tribunal will look at that on this claim or whether you'll need to request the MR again for that decision. I'm hoping someone else will see this




    So they did refer to information received leading them to change the decision ,  one letter from elbow surgeon who a week prior had carried out ulnar nerve reposition surgery, in his letter which  foolishly  forwarded to dwp he wrote Mrx  has full movement in his arm , alls going well, hes doing very well (a week after the op) Dwp say , oh you've full movement , you don't help with x or y , however i wasn't claiming lack of movement just 50% loss of feeling in my hands, yes i've got to have the other elbow done as well, 

    And then a letter from foot surgeon saying good movement , good gait etc etc , now i doubt a hospital consultants room is no bigger than 6ft x 6ft , i don't think i did more than 2  paces, hes carrying out big toe fusion surgery on me, ermmmm because i need it DWP 

    So i think dwp have two these two letters and thought aha , this guy doesnt need pip AT ALL

    Any thoughts  on this now  poppy , sorry i should have said this before




    Yes, that evidence could be the reason why they stopped your PIP. Did you send that evidence to the Tribunal yourself?

    With surgery you would expect some improvement at some point, which is why they do surgery to start with. Please note i'm not in anyway saying you're not entitled to PIP because i don't know anything about your health conditions or how they affect you.

    Have you ever got some expert advice from an agency near you? If you haven't then i'd advise you to do this. Start here. https://advicelocal.uk/welfare-benefits


    Yes I sent it to DWP just before the tribunal, as its turned out a rather silly thing to do, you just get so used to sending them  things, , ok agreed some improvement or no improvement but not after a week lol

    No i understand that your not saying that, every case is different and best not to get too involved, anyway the answer being no, i haven't but now i'm thinking  yes i flipping will im looking at fightback4justice to advise me further,  a bit of a pickle because unless i contact them   they may cancel that reactivated appeal once the systems caught up with itself
    The more i read the letter im thinking damn , if id not sent that info, they'd have had no grounds to think the contrary

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