Help please!!!

Smarties · August 2023

Hello

I need some advice this is quite long hoping you can understand my situation.

In 2018 I registered a self assessment as self employed as I was working as self employed contracted 8 hours a week, my pay was low and because of this no national insurance or tax needed to be paid.

I informed universal credit of this and showed them evidence at my self employment meeting all was fine.

Shortly a few months after the business I was self employed contracted for had ended my self employment contract and had closed down and I informed universal credit of this that I was no longer self employed and had no job.

Further to this I had stoped working as I suffered with my mental health extremely severely and had to provide sick notes which I did and then had a work capability assessment was awarded LCWRA in 2019/2020.

My work coach had told me that even tho I was not able to work and I was no longer self employed I would still need to complete self employment expenses on my UC statement each month so they can work out my payment for that month which I have been doing for the last 4 years.

Last year in October I had started a job which was not self employment it was a normal monthly pay job where I was put on the PAYROLL and I had informed UC of this when reporting a change of starting work on my journal.

After 1 month I could not cope with this job due to my mental health and had to leave which I informed UC of this change.

My UC has been fine and remained the same with my LCWRA element.

Anyways, now I have received a tax rebate cheque from HMRC of £120 of overpaid tax from the Job in October last year but it is in my old name (I changed my name by deedpoll last year before starting this job and had changed my passport and updated UC.

I assumed because I updated my passport and UC of my name change by deedpoll and provided evidence that they would automatically inform HMRC as that is the passport office etc so I never informed HMRC of new name)

My question to this is,

Do I need to inform UC of this tax rebate cheque of £120 that I received from HMRC due to my over paid tax last year in October?

Am I suppose to inform HMRC I am no longer self employed and have not been for a few years now or would UC have already done this years ago when this was confirmed.

The cheque has my old name and not my new name that was changed last year so I cannot bank the cheque either and will need to call HMRC due to wrong name details.

so I’m really confused I know that I need to call HMRC and tell them of this which I will be doing but what about the self employment?

I do not know I would need to do this and thought they would know by my UC because I have been sick and not working plus my last job for the one month was payroll not self employed.

Please help!!!!

poppy123456 · August 2023

Yes you will need to inform UC about the tax rebate because it's classed as earnings for UC. As you have the work allowance then all of the tax rebate will be disregarded so there will not be any deductions from your UC for this.

Yes, you should inform HMRC that you're no longer self employed. See link. https://www.gov.uk/stop-being-self-employed Once you've done this you shouldn't need to report any earnings and expenses each month for UC because you have no earnings anyway. UC would not inform HMRC that you're no longer self employed that's your responsibilty.

Smarties · August 2023

Hi Poppy,

thank you for your reply

when I started a job last year in October and ended it within a month I was asked to attend a no longer self employment meeting at job centre. On my way there the work coach called me and had told me that she could go over some details on the phone and just asked me if I was able to work again I said no because of mental health and she said thank you for confirming and that they would change my UC statement and take away the self employed bit so that I would no longer need to report my income and expenses each month before I got my UC payments and that’s what they did.

so scince October they automatically generate my payment statement without me having to report any income or expenses.

But a few years ago when my self employment did end and I became sick, my work coach told me even tho I am no longer self employed I would still need to report income and expenses in order to get my payments it will just remain as it is until that happend in October. So everything is fine with UC it is just HMRC I am worried about.

Looking at my previous record as I keep my paperwork and thank goodness I do when I applied to register as self employed I did not receive anything from HMRC I only have a printed sheet of what information I provided to them online that I printed out and it says submission status: submitted
acknowledgment reference:

and that’s it I never heard anything back? So I didn’t actually get confirmation from hmrc about my self employment so maybe I wasn’t actually self employed?

I also found a letter on my uc journal confirming I was not found gainfully self employed a couple years ago.

I’m not sure if this is because I was not eligible because I was working for a company as self employed but only doing 8 hours which I earned around £260 a month?

I have just tried to login to hmrc with the gateway number on this form but it doesn’t seem to exist?

Is HMRC and UC linked so they may well be aware that I have not been self employed and in receipt of sickness benefit.

I will definitely call them tomorrow.

Thanks again

Smarties · August 2023

Hi

so I just found this online

If your income is less than £1,000, you don't need to declare it. If your income is more than £1,000, you'll need to register with HMRC and fill in a Self Assessment Tax Return

so judging by this do you think that I could have not been self employed because when I applied to register as self employed as advised above I never received a response from hmrc and I didn’t receive a 10 digit tax payer reference number either ???

The only form I had was the form I printed out of my filled in application online that just said status submitted that’s it? I never heard anything scince 2018. And the income I had made was £260 for the month.

poppy123456 · August 2023

If you didn't register then there's no need to tell them anything.

Smarties · August 2023

Okay great thank you poppy for your advice really really appreciate it thank you so much!x

Smarties · August 2023

Hi poppy

just a quick question please

how do I tell universal credit about the tax rebate cheque of £120 do I need to cal them up and speak to them or do I just add a note on my journal? Thank you

Hannah_Alumni · August 2023

You can just pop a note on your journal @smarties

If they need to speak to you about it any more then they'll let you know,

Smarties · August 2023

Hi Hannah thank you so much xx

Ray212 · August 2023

Wrong thread

poppy123456 · August 2023

Ray212 said:

What I find annoying about it is they tell you to return it by a certain date, send you reminders about the importance of returning it in time then spend months or in some cases over a year actually getting back to you about it!

This thread is about a tax rebate and this doesn't usually happen for this. For a tax rebate there's nothing to return back to them.

Ray212 · August 2023

You're right, I thought I was commenting on a different thread. Which I will find now!

Help please!!!

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