Disabled and sick forced to work.

2oldcodgers said:

happyfella said:

I cannot believe some of the comments that it is not true. It is true and disabled people are going to be forced to work. I just don't understand why they are picking on disabled people. Let's look at it more closely. 1) we are wasting £6 million a day housing migrants who have never put in the system, where is this money coming from? 2) we are paying the french to stop the boats coming in and to save lives, the french are sitting on their hands, where has that money come from? 3) we wasted money on the go out and eat out, where did that money come from? 4) the government wasted money on contracts during Covid, where did that money come from?

So, I would like to know why they are picking on disabled people. I have read lots of reports which have stated that this is going to cause some disabled people to become homeless, others have said it could result in people trying to take their own lives.

I am really puzzled why they are doing this. I would love to work and miss work but i am not physically able to do it, and i take exception that i am going to be forced into pain to try and do it and then lose the job within a day because i cannot do it.

This is not just a conservative plan. Labour want the conservatives to bring it in so they are not the bad guys but they do back it. An MP for Labour was on Sky News who said they agree with disabled people returning to work.

Obviously there will be all manner of disabilities that will make it impossible to go back to work.
They are looking at those claiming UC who are saying that they are too ill/disabled to do any work whatsoever.
Obviously they won't take the claimant's word for it. I don't see anything wrong with the DWP looking at every UC claimant to see who could do some work. They are talking about removing the 50metre distance rule that if you can't move that distance then you are currently written off. Rubbish, I can think of many jobs where you either work from home or in an office that you are not expected to walk that distance all day long.
Surely people should be looking at doing something with their lives?
It is better that they match the job to the individual taking into account reasonable changes to make it happen.
Me, I'm a great believer that work is good for you even though you will probably not get that much more in wages and UC (taking into account the expenses of working) than being on UC full time. Money isn't the issue what is is the feeling of satisfaction that you try to work for the sake of the country.

poppy123456 said:

honestjon said:

poppy123456 said:

chiarieds said:

I should be inured to 2oldcodgers' comments by now, but apparently not.

People on various threads are showing their concerns over the Autumn statement, & others are trying to reassure. 2oldcodgers instead adds posts that help no-one, & are insensitive, inappropriate & misleading. Why are such comments allowed to continue, do the community house rules mean nothing?

Yes indeed it seems exactly this way. It feels like there’s one rule for one and a different rule for others… 

I think scope are right to support freedom of speech but freedom comes with responsibility.
Fair is fair 

I don’t think I suggested otherwise. There’s a big difference between freedom of speech and misleading, insensitive and inappropriate information. 

I don't think you suggested otherwise Poppy. I agree with your points

Danny123 said:

In 2024 jobseekers will be looked at to try to get them into work quicker , if after 18 months no job , 6 months of a new tactic , if still no job and refuse to engage they will loose there benefits 

In 2025 they are tightening the criteria for wca for NEW sick , disabled claimants , hence changing a few descriptors and maybe abolishing some .... Existing claiments are not  affected ..... Although I'm not sure where existing claiments stand when it comes to future assessments , wether we still get the current one or new updated one 

There is a voulentry scheme for existing claiments if they would like too participate in some work if they think they could manage it but they WILL NOT force existing sick and disabled people into work 

Then in 26/ 27 at the earliest they are abolishing wca and planning on replacing it with a new health element 
.... Claiments who get pip already qualify automatically and claiments who are on surport group , lcwra etc will nearly certainly qualify or if not be given transitional protection 

I think I've finally got it , my god no wonder people are scared , the media should be ashamed of themselves for the lack of facts and clarity .... As woodbine says election time is fast approaching....time to try to stay calm and take it in people , alot of Chinese whispering going around on forums inc scope and the media .... I've been on here for about a year now and on the whole spoken to nothing but good people , Inc poppy and woodbine , sometimes going over and over things until I drove them mad because of my OCD but theve always been patient and helped me , I've even been known to of given a bit of good advice myself 😅 .... Its easy to understand why everyone is so panicked but if you calm down and look at the facts it's not as bad as what everyone first thought , all that matters to these people is power and the government works with the media on such things to be as menecing as possible not to mention this is there last throw of the dice and they are trying to catch votes