Disabled and sick forced to work.

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  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 739 Connected
    WhatThe said:

    And Supplementary Benefit. It was all going to be improved and simplified with ESA wasn't it..? 

    The Labour Party was formed because the elite cared not for the poor working classes then they created our NHS. The breakaway parties are what diluted Labour's strength not unions trying to hold onto workers' industries and livelihoods. 

     
    Well that is a take on the current fiasco involving the rail unions isn't it?
    I do believe that the rail union's only objective in the current strike is to try to force the government to bow down to a crazy settlement and force the industry back into public ownership. Never will happen.
  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 739 Connected
    woodbine said:
    2oldcodgers said:
    happyfella said:
    Labour are sadly not labour anymore. There is no party that works for the working class. It is a sad time in politics. 
    Thank goodness for that! Who would want a party in Westminster that is ruled by the unions?
    You would do well to remember what happened to our car industry, our coal miners, our ship builders, our railways etc - all destroyed by union led strikes. 
    And as for the workers of the working class, you will find most of them claiming a myriad of benefits so as to not want to bother going back to work. 
    <shakes head> the Labour Party was founded mainly by the unions, we currently have a party in govt that is ruled by the people with lots of money some of them Russian, the mines were inihalated not by strikes but by Thatcher. My own daughter has a good job in the UK with an American bank but because she has a child, child care cost and expensive rent she also thankfully gets some help via UC.
    UC in other forms has been around for decades--remember Income support and Family income supplement (FIS) ?


    I do and I'll go back even further when we had National Assistance!
    I don't have a lot of money but I am still a fully paid up member of the Conservative Party (political branch).
    Yes, Maggie (God bless her) closed all of the mines - why I wonder?
    Maybe it was because of the NUM took their members out on strike and attempted to overthrow the government (much like the rail union of today). She was quite entitled to deal with the NUM demands by closing the mines down which then put most of the strikers out of a job - permanently!
    As for UC and it's previous incarnations. I have two children and up until I became ill and disabled at 47 the only benefit claimed was Family Allowance. Additionally the only time I ever made a means tested benefit claim (Pension Credit)  was in 2015 when i was 66 and my wife 71.
     
  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 739 Connected
    chiarieds said:
    I couldn't agree more that Admin nearly always get things right, but the odd person slips through. I rarely report posts unless it's a safeguarding issue or advertising links. In over 4 years I've only noticed 3 people, whom in my opinion do not help this enormously supportive community by, for whatever reason, lying.
    My difficulty with 2oldcodgers is which posts to report as far as 'misleading' goes? From the Cambridge dictionary the definition of 'misleading' 'is causing someone to believe something that is not true.' But which of many comments are these?
    Misleading?  

    He has said he retired at age 60, or was it 65; such comments are perhaps considered innocuous?
    Instead of picking out one or two facts and then putting them into the same sentence loses the whole meaning of the original sentences.
    At the age of 60 (2009) I took normal retirement from the Civil Service.
    At the age of 65 (2014) I started to receive my State Pension as well as making a claim for Pension Credit. It was the Jobcentre that told me that I should hold off claiming PC as I was too young to get my State Pension. 

    However he's recently stated that he returned to his previous employment from 2006 -2009, despite having previously said from 2004/5 he spent the following 7 years in hospital;
    Yes I did return to the Civil Service in 2006. Yes I finally retired in 2009 aged 60.
    From 2004 (February to be exact) to April 2004 I was hospitalised and my DLA and IIDB were up for renewal/reassessment in March 2004. I was too ill to complete both reviews from my hospital bed. From late 2004 in between hospital and home I started to recover which allowed me to get back to some work part time in the Civil Service. In 2006 I went full time until 2009 despite regular admissions into hospital. It wasn't until 2011 that I felt fit enough to look at my DLA & IIDB claims.



  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,883 Championing

    Scope Team - this thread has become far too personal

    Scope promotes a supportive, safe forum for everyone. The person being attacked here has MH problems which seems to have been forgotten. Side-stepping what I thought was a humbling account of a horrendous experience instead of giving that post a little more thought.. 

    You don't have to like us. What you think of us is irrelevant to these discussion groups. You can gripe and gossip in private. You can also restrict and remove our comments so it's all about moderation.  

    I don't believe you have the right to call someone a liar here or present this person's posts as evidence. The guy's not on trial. He's not a young man either. Mental health isn't static or easy to understand is it? Be kind


  • honestjon
    honestjon Online Community Member Posts: 173 Empowering
    WhatThe said:

    Scope Team - this thread has become far too personal

    Scope promotes a supportive, safe forum for everyone. The person being attacked here has MH problems which seems to have been forgotten. Side-stepping what I thought was a humbling account of a horrendous experience instead of giving that post a little more thought.. 

    You don't have to like us. What you think of us is irrelevant to these discussion groups. You can gripe and gossip in private. You can also restrict and remove our comments so it's all about moderation.  

    I don't believe you have the right to call someone a liar here or present this person's posts as evidence. The guy's not on trial. He's not a young man either. Mental health isn't static or easy to understand is it? Be kind


    It's all about freedom of speech so where do you draw the line?
    A big part of mental health issues is being frustrated and unable to be heard.
    2oldcodgers has the right to be heard and so does anyone else who chooses to reply to him.
    I understand why admin are reluctant to silence anyone but really there are times when it is appropriate. For example when you are disruptive to the detriment of the other users.
    I agree it's nice to be kind but kindness is not something you are entitled to expect if you aren't showing any kindness yourself.
    I think it's sad that people who are on here to offer help are being distracted from giving help and it's getting too regular now it's every day in different threads.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,883 Championing

    I agree it's nice to be kind but kindness is not something you are entitled to expect if you aren't showing any kindness yourself.

    He doesn't appear to expect kindness..

    However rude or insensitive anyone is on this forum, noone in the Scope Team has the right to call someone here a liar (a very ugly word), nor to keep poking someone with poor MH nor to encourage anyone else to join in hostile behaviour. That's my point!

    Scope is already restricting this person's use of the site and doing their job properly so he isn't being silenced. That's still not good enough for some though. 

    Lead by example!

  • Adrian_Scope
    Adrian_Scope Posts: 11,750 Online Community Programme Lead
    Thank you for your feedback. I just want to clarify that the Scope online community team consists of myself (Adrian_Scope), Albus_Scope, Hannah_Scope, Jimm_Scope and Rosie_Scope and I'd be curious as to where you believe the team have done called someone a liar.
    As always, if you're concerned about posts from other members, the best thing to do is to click the Flag button at the bottom of the comment and select Report, to raise it for our attention.
  • honestjon
    honestjon Online Community Member Posts: 173 Empowering
    WhatThe said:

    I agree it's nice to be kind but kindness is not something you are entitled to expect if you aren't showing any kindness yourself.

    He doesn't appear to expect kindness..

    However rude or insensitive anyone is on this forum, noone in the Scope Team has the right to call someone here a liar (a very ugly word), nor to keep poking someone with poor MH nor to encourage anyone else to join in hostile behaviour. That's my point!

    Scope is already restricting this person's use of the site and doing their job properly so he isn't being silenced. That's still not good enough for some though. 

    Lead by example!

    To be fair I wasn't referring to anyone specifically it was a general statement .
    And how do you know who has got poor MH ? Maybe some of those you are criticising have also got poor MH so maybe they should be allowed to get away with being rude and unhelpful as well???
  • honestjon
    honestjon Online Community Member Posts: 173 Empowering
    WhatThe said:

    I agree it's nice to be kind but kindness is not something you are entitled to expect if you aren't showing any kindness yourself.

    He doesn't appear to expect kindness..

    However rude or insensitive anyone is on this forum, noone in the Scope Team has the right to call someone here a liar (a very ugly word), nor to keep poking someone with poor MH nor to encourage anyone else to join in hostile behaviour. That's my point!

    Scope is already restricting this person's use of the site and doing their job properly so he isn't being silenced. That's still not good enough for some though. 

    Lead by example!

    I'm just letting you know that I have got poor MH so I'm claiming the entitlement to be rude and hostile and I don't expect to be the victim of any hostile behaviour.
    Is that ok?
  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,883 Championing

    Community Co-Production Group Posts: 15,319 Disability Gamechanger

    Hi Adrian, I do apologise - not a team member then :o that is reassuring thank you!!!
     
    I don't want to trawl through those posts again
      

    I'm just letting you know that I have got poor MH so I'm claiming the entitlement to be rude and hostile and I don't expect to be the victim of any hostile behaviour.
    Is that ok?

    honestjon, that's exactly the point I was trying to make on somebody else's behalf!
      


  • minfo83
    minfo83 Online Community Member Posts: 4 Listener
    How would people with injuries from war and people who have a leg and arm missing will they have to look for work as well…?
  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 16,813 Championing
    No-one knows as yet if the proposed changes will even happen, & nothing would happen until 2025 if the current govt is still in power, as has often been said on this thread, & on other posts.
    I believe the current govt is thinking of ways to help disabled people who would like to work to achieve this. There'd be many obstacles, however, even if suitable jobs were available, & if employers worked towards helping future employees. It's been recognised that some disabled people would never be able to work even in an ideal world.
  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 739 Connected
    minfo83 said:
    How would people with injuries from war and people who have a leg and arm missing will they have to look for work as well…?
    They used to in the past. Remploy was the company that employed all manner of people with arms/legs missing.
  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,162 Championing

    @woodbine  @2oldcodgers

    In 2015, Remploy left government ownership and underwent privatisation and came under the ownership of MAXIMUS The rationale from Tories was a desire to move towards a more inclusive approach to disability employment, emphasising integration into mainstream workplaces rather than maintaining segregated employment settings. 

    Despite extensive attempts to salvage our longstanding local Remploy facility, which had been part of the town and community since 1947, sponsorship couldn't be secured. It was a sombre day when it eventually closed, bringing significant distress to all those involved in its shutdown. 

     

  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 739 Connected
    Yes it was a sad day. The furniture they made was of top quality and even the original Habitat business stocked it.
    I bought many items from that store in London in the 70's.
    Now it's tied up with Sainsburys and obviously the quality has gone down the pan.
    But having said that have a look at Latest Job | Diversity Jobs Group | Your Diversity and Inclusions Job Boards.
     
    Almost everyone including the deemed sick and/or disabled could contribute their talents towards a job.
  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,883 Championing

    2oldcodgers,
    I looked on the site and found something suitable for me, thank you!

    However, if this reflects the number of job vacancies we keep hearing about then I have concerns..

    'Sandwich artist' in Finland or Germany isn't really an option for the sick/disabled in this country. These came up despite the filters I applied. Our Health Transformation Programme seems to be funded by the European Social Fund (as was the Work Programme) so that's also a little confusing. 


  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 739 Connected
    I had a look myself and within up to an hour by train/bus there are 57 vacancies that I could do if I was under 65.
    No, this is just one of many agencies that offer support and lists of jobs that are available.
  • Meg24
    Meg24 Online Community Member Posts: 390 Trailblazing
    2oldcodgers said:
    I had a look myself and within up to an hour by train/bus there are 57 vacancies that I could do if I was under 65.
    No, this is just one of many agencies that offer support and lists of jobs that are available.
    I can't travel by public transport and if they remove my LCWRA premium as they plan to, then I won't be able to afford to keep my car. Then you have the unpredictable nature of my disability which means that on most days I can't even function at home, let alone doing a job of work. It's a nice idea that there is something we might all be able to do, but not all of us can and I very much doubt that all of us will manage to replace the near £500 per month they plan to cut from our benefits as standard, with sanctions on top if we fail to find work. It's a complete disaster of an idea and cannot be allowed.

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