Any possibility of a Judaism and disability event?
wandering_chris
Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 107 Empowering
Hi, I just saw the Islam and Disability event and I wondered if there was any event planned around Judaism and disability. I ask as through friends I know there are many issues that disabled Jews face, and I know friends who'd benefit.
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This would be quite interesting! I also have people very close to me who are both disabled and Jewish.0
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I must admit I'm with woodbine here. I had thought about saying & what about 'Christianity & disability,' but thought some might think I was in some way being derogatory, so didn't say it. It is I feel putting people in separate niches (& the list could become endless...'Jehovah's Witnesses & disability,' Catholicism & disability,' Buddhism & disability,' 'atheism & disability,' etc), whereas we should be united. Our different religions, or none, our varying cultures, etc. don't change a person's disability.It's the same when you see about black people & disability, but white people & disability I feel would never be mentioned. It all seems a bit odd to me. I have respect for all religions, & the more I've read over the years makes me feel we have more similarities than differences, so why are 'differences' being made with regard to disabled people?4
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Women and disability anyone...?3 -
chiarieds, I do consider that Black people face incomparable discrimination in all respects (even more so than women!) and that disability would be a secondary factor for them.
Just as men get to decide what equality is (raising our retirement age by 7 years for example), I don't believe that white people can possibly imagine what it is to be Black.
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It is MEN who feel victimised in the modern world as they call it. Men who invent religions and cults. Men who rule the world, make laws and wars in the name of religion.
The event was of tremendous importance to us all - vital because of the threats we face in the UK from extremists. I thought the question was ridiculous, personally.
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White men that is.0 -
chiarieds said:I must admit I'm with woodbine here. I had thought about saying & what about 'Christianity & disability,' but thought some might think I was in some way being derogatory, so didn't say it. It is I feel putting people in separate niches (& the list could become endless...'Jehovah's Witnesses & disability,' Catholicism & disability,' Buddhism & disability,' 'atheism & disability,' etc), whereas we should be united. Our different religions, or none, our varying cultures, etc. don't change a person's disability.It's the same when you see about black people & disability, but white people & disability I feel would never be mentioned. It all seems a bit odd to me. I have respect for all religions, & the more I've read over the years makes me feel we have more similarities than differences, so why are 'differences' being made with regard to disabled people?
The thing is someone who is Disabled and Jewish has the double whammy of antisemitism + ableism and also how they're more prone, as the average bigot sees them as physically weaker. Then, add on how the system (social services and the like) deals with issues around Kosher, the holidays, etc.
There's a whole lot of weight you are burdened with when in two minorities, and it's important those that who don't know learn how that feels and, those in that situation have guidance and support.
A friend of mine has attempted suicide because of this, he's ok and getting help, but this is what its like for some people
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Religion is a choice.
Disability isn't. Gender isn't. Colour isn't.
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WhatThe said:
Religion is a choice.
Disability isn't. Gender isn't. Colour isn't.
FYI Jews are an Ethnoreligious group, a person can be ethnically Jewish or Jewish by religion.
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Religion is still not relevant to disability in a secular society..
Gender is the primary difference in all societies and we're nowhere near tackling the discrimination that all girls and women face. That's a much bigger task if we want equality for all.
There isn't a woman on earth who doesn't know what discrimination feels like/looks like/sounds like as the weaker sex.
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WhatThe said:
Religion is still not relevant to disability in a secular society..
Gender is the primary difference in all societies and we're nowhere near tackling the discrimination that all girls and women face. That's a much bigger task if we want equality for all.
There isn't a woman on earth who doesn't know what discrimination feels like/looks like/sounds like as the weaker sex.
So antisemitism and islamophobia don't matter? Try telling that to my friend who tried killing himself after being targeted the 13th time. I'm done here, plain ignorant of other's experiences to push your view. Also, real feminists stand with victims of antisemitism, not ignore them - Believe me, I know, more than you think for reasons I can not go into.
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Your words not mine.
Perhaps we could find out more about the event in question rather than feel threatened by it or under-represented.
Real feminists stand with all victims.
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I don't know which events Scope has hosted ever. How else do we address these timeless problems without dialogue though?
I got the impression that four women hosted this and I've no idea who initiated it. Someone will be along shortly to explain I'm sure
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If somebody wants to start a thread about religion then they can. Religious divides aren't the fault of Scope. It's just not special in terms of disability which is what connects us on this forum.
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So have there been others as you mentioned ?0 -
We should be discussing the event not the people who feel excluded!0 -
I assumed it was about disability and Islam which might have been a better title and for anyone interested.
You said events which I took literally - After reading the above I have concerns about Scope's recent shift towards creating events for specific religious groups.
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And I naturally assumed that Scope would not hold such an event in isolation and intends to continue with themes around disability..
I was clumsy to say it was a ridiculous question and I sincerely apologise to you wandering chris.
It's a great question and I look forward to learning about religions in relation to disability. I'm sorry I was so dismissive and hope your friend is safe now.
Would you like me to delete my posts on your thread?
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Some confusion may have crept in (well at least it did in my case), in that whilst we're all members of Scope's online community, you have to apply to become a 'Scope member,' which is free. Please see: https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/95730/we-are-relaunching-our-membership-become-a-scope-member-today-for-free/p1 which explains the concept. The online meeting/event about 'Islam & disability' is for Scope members.
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