Is fighting fire with fire an effective strategy?

66Mustang
66Mustang Community Member Posts: 15,510 Championing

I hope this is OK to post as injustice, especially hypocrisy, is something that has upset me for a long time and I wonder what others think about it?

I like reading about whisky and I just read an article about a lady who got into whisky tasting. It went on to give some interesting facts, like how even though most people who are very into whisky are men, women are actually better in general at tasting whisky than men. It’s likely an evolutionary thing as they developed a need to be able to tell if food was unsafe before sharing it with children. All nice unbiased facts and stuff

However it then went on to say things like how men in the whisky industry are all sexist, men don’t allow women into the industry, men are always surprised if they come across a woman who enjoys whisky

I don’t know whether the idea of fighting against sexism by being sexist yourself is the right way to go about making the example that sexism is unacceptable?

I have noticed the same thing when it comes to other things like race. Phrases get thrown about along the lines “white people are racist” - by grouping people based on their skin colour (white) and accusing them of something (racism), are you not committing racism yourself?

I agree that these things are wrong - I never actually care if someone does something that society doesn’t expect them to do based on their characteristics, I don’t even mention it because I’m actually more interested in the topic involved, than trying to bring politics into it!

I think what I'm trying to say, is, if I wanted to stand up for a group of people: I would probably do that by defending/praising that group, rather than attacking an "opposite" group

But trying to see the other side, maybe I am wrong - perhaps trying to prove the point that something is bad, by committing the very thing that is bad, is an effective way of getting the message across?

I’d be interested to hear peoples thoughts

Comments

  • rubin16
    rubin16 Scope Member Posts: 1,614 Championing
    One thing I hate in life is when people judge another person because they are in that group of people. (if that makes sense)

    For example "all woman etc whether they are being sexist or racist

    People are individuals and we should never just judge a person, as everyone is different with their own personality and should never be judged apon until you know that person.

    I personally treat everyone with respect and treat everyone the same regardless as at the end of the day we are all human, and should work together not hate one another or judge one another.
  • 66Mustang
    66Mustang Community Member Posts: 15,510 Championing
    @rubin16

    I agree with you and I do the same

    The main question I was getting at though is that I don't think that discriminating against people is an effective way to eradicate discrimination? I am happy to listen to the opposite view and be proved wrong, though!!
  • Albus_Alumni
    Albus_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 11,373 Championing
    I always say "Treat every stranger like a friend, until they give you reason to think otherwise" So I tend to try to educate instead of going for the easier option of name calling. 
    The internet has made it so easy just to throw names around, instead of talking things through like we used to do. Though I admit I have made sweeping generalisations in the past, but it's something I've been working on stopping in recent years. :)
  • 66Mustang
    66Mustang Community Member Posts: 15,510 Championing
    @Albus_Scope

    Yeah I am with you on treating people as individuals and stuff in general

    I think maybe I worded my thread wrong as what I was enquiring about is those who employ discrimination as a tactic in their fight against discrimination, if that makes sense?

    As someone who takes everyone as they find them, I don't like being labelled as - say - racist, or sexist, just because of the fact that I am white or male 
  • WelshBlue
    WelshBlue Community Member Posts: 1,423 Championing
    Unfortunately we can become labelled on our looks.  I'm a Trojan Skinhead aka Rude Boy.  

    The look comes from skinheads embracing Jamaican/ Ska music ... but I've had Asian people be abusive/violent or worse, shepherding their kids away from me.  Their ignorance to my looks used to worry me, now I feel sorry for them

    I've been attacked for being white, for being Welsh and for being me.  I don't hate the cultures/nationalities, just the perpetrators

    I identify as a Welsh Feminist Trojan.  Colour doesn't come into the equation for me.  Just mutual respect