About the PM's (Sunak's) speech: Stop demonising us
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66Mustang said:Feel free to remove it if you deem it inappropriate but I came across this poster while reading about something unrelated
Won't say where it's from will just say it was published to promote a certain (now defunct) prominent political party's agenda and thought it resembles the attitude of some modern politicians with the desire to turn working people against people who can't work!!!
A rough translation, "60000 is what this hereditarily ill patient will cost the community for life / fellow citizen that is your money too"
On the contrary, I'd argue it's disturbingly poignant.
The war continues, in a more insipid form. The war against us, because it is a war. We're suffering and dying out here, and they don't care.
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This in addition to the other comment today:
Dear Stephen Doughty MP,I have again received the IN-CORRECT documents from DWP and PIP and have shown the two letters sent to me under the FOI to get my new Vehicle. I want to go back to the Upper Tribunal as this has become a joke, especially since the new Green Paper which you know I have an input to the White Paper sent by the Labour Party to Change the attitude of Assessment under the new Social Care Act.So far in the last week 4 people that had their benefits given back at the correct rates have now been removed and are now being paid Standard Rate Care only.? Is this what they call support? I have repeatedly asked for a meeting, and not received a reply from either the DWP or you, so I have asked at a meeting I had, to invite BOTH Vaughan Gethin, New First Minister for Wales, and one of our Legal Team to a meeting next month around the 5th May 2024 at the Unite Head Office.This is to discuss other issues as well but have also sent Vaughan a copy of the rebuttal of the Green Paper and the actual COPY of the White Paper sent to Parliament last year from the Union, and it bears no resemblance to the Paper presented or the Green Paper on How to fix the System.I have now reaffiliated my membership to the Labour Party and with or without your help I can send my paperwork directly to Welsh Labour and so do not have to wait for either Unite to raise issues that are affecting us all including the Disability issues surrounding the assessment process, the ability for claimants to get a correct assessment first time and the abilities and limitations that surround the Decision Maker's powers to over-write Documents on headed paper from people registered on the appropriate Medical Register, and who are governed by the Hypothacratic Oath. This all comes down to accountability, and ownership of the documents that are being written about us and why we are having to ask for a copy of the report written by outsourced companies that affect the payments given to the Claimant,in their part, but as a PATIENT from the people they see. Again accountability and the need to see why the Tribunal Service, are not adhering to their own rules and allowing the DWP and Secretary of State leeway, and have to get the claimant to ask for compensation and also that the Alterations to the documents that require a Back payment MUST BE SHOWN ON A SEPRATE CALCULATION as all they are doing is paying the back payment we should have had if the claim was assessed correctly first.To log and keep on a file in our Computers, the name of the assessor, a copy of the original report, a copy of the company charter, a copy of the remedy offered to the claimant, the working out sheet, where there is no more input from the decision maker, other than what went wrong and the amendment number on the top of the Sheet that will be used should further inquiries be needed at a future date like a Certificate of Entitlement to get a New Mobility Vehicle.We all know how the system is supposed to work,. why are we so afraid to enforce it. All the Disabled section has asked for is an assessment to be carried out if necessary by a qualified person. And that as we know follow the 10 points in the charter for assessment. These are fundamental requests that are already in the system. If followed these assessments would have been brought back under the NHS as it is the NHS and Medical Board that issue these companies I D to practice, so its not as though we don't have the expertise since all they do is assess for access to benefits and DO NOT TREAT, OR MAKE A CARE PACKAGE, OR RUN A & E, in fact do not even write in the Patients Medical History as they are not qualified or do not have access so why are they writing about us.David Simpson.3 -
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awww 😊 thank you Albus, much appreciated. I wasn’t sure of the legalities of publishing it but it’s up now and I hope others can decipher it and share opinions from a Labour perspective. Thank you x2
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I've seen a fair bit of commentary from Labour on disability, but nothing so far that suggests they'll walk back on the Conservative push for reform of PIP. I suspect that they'll keep quiet about it, and then should they win at the GE , blame the lapsed government for the inability to reverse anything.
That and of course generally speaking spend their five year term blaming the last fourteen years of Tory rule for everything1 -
ThundyUK said:I've seen a fair bit of commentary from Labour on disability, but nothing so far that suggests they'll walk back on the Conservative push for reform of PIP. I suspect that they'll keep quiet about it, and then should they win at the GE , blame the lapsed government for the inability to reverse anything.
That and of course generally speaking spend their five year term blaming the last fourteen years of Tory rule for everything2 -
SummerLove said:judie said:ThundyUK said:I've seen a fair bit of commentary from Labour on disability, but nothing so far that suggests they'll walk back on the Conservative push for reform of PIP. I suspect that they'll keep quiet about it, and then should they win at the GE , blame the lapsed government for the inability to reverse anything.
That and of course generally speaking spend their five year term blaming the last fourteen years of Tory rule for everything0 -
Yea it's disgusting that government are attacking sick and disabled. And what really made me mad is what they were planning about the homeless on the streets. They wanted to clear them of the streets by not allowing them to put up tents to sleep in. People with mental health issues are getting attacked and the newspapers aren't any better they seem to be backing up government. Please hope they get booted out at general election. Labour hasn't said how they would make the system better.2
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It's terrible, my mental health got much worse with all this going on.
I have other Conditions as well which are bad enough.3 -
On writing ON the above comment to my MP which was at 12:07 pm (7 minutes past 12 day time) I cc it to 5 others, in 9 minutes I received 3 replies and an invitation to join a Zoom Metting today at 18.00 today to TALK, about proposals made, not only by me, but to the people who will make a difference comming soon since this is really not a political thing, it about getting the right sort of help today, here, and now. Not as a political adgenda. I really could not care who you voted for as long as you voted. This is the start of a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. If who you voted for did or did not get in and again you still want to make a difference, then open your eyes and see the news of how the DWP has now stopped further assessments under the New Social Care Act. Why? because there was no consultation except from certain areas they wanted to get good reading from. What I saw was their ability to change wording in a document that on the surface of those that only read the first 6 or 8 pages of a document look as though they are doing something at last. WRONG, why would you want to alter a system of benefits that at least (most with a fight) pay some financial reward to assist the sick, Disabled, (whether from birth or accident to an able bodied person) or long term sick, say from the recent pandemic, (long Corvid) and replace it with a voucher system to pay for Aids or Adaptions that you don't have and applied for and didn't get because a decision Maker says you are not entitled to it?
The change to the system should and was made, when we let Universal Credit continue because it would make IT EASIER TO KEEP ALL your information, BOTH MEDICAL AND FINANCIAL on one computer and then state in small letters under the declaration that "in signing this declaration I allow the DWP to keep this information, which will only be given to PEOPLE WE DEEM AS NECESSARY, TO ALLOW (UNIVERSAL CREDIT) OTHER GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS TO NOT HAVE TO SEEK PERMISSION AND STATE THEIR PURPOSE, or to allow Assessors APROVED BY US to receive this information or any information contained in the form filling claim for BENEFITS. So, when you combine 6 benefits into 1 you end up with a financial loss of around £80+ a MONTH? If 1+1+1+1+1+1=6 Then how when you combine 6 benefits into 1 you end up 1+1+1+1+1+1=4? We know why yet we let it carry on. The Disabled have always been a good target along with the NHS, They "improved the system" and took it away from the NHS who allowed the DWP to "farm out" assessments to a system that they wanted called Private Investment companies in America and France, that we know are ATOS, Maximus, Concentrix and Capita, who all run an American style PRIVATE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, WHERE you have to have private health care before being seen? Where is the NHS NOW? longer waiting lists for routine operations, longer waiting lists for seeing a GP, longer waiting lists for treatment, longer waits for dental care, instant removal of benefits if you don't report any treatment at A & E that because they are hours and go past midnight are NOW CLASSED AS AN OVERNIGHT STAY IN HOSPITAL, irrespective of whether you get seen or not?
Access to your bank account as you sent them in an income and expendature form believing that that you would get help in Rent reduction, yet in proving in one case that they were £350/month under the threshhold for paying tax still said they had an excess of income and reduced the claim accordingly by 20% and 65% against the applicable amount SET BY THEM? no tax rebate either.
My point to all this is we are fed up of being pidgeon holed and left to have care from family members because the system says they cannot be paid for what they do as this then becomes another source of income to them? That food banks which were designed to help those that the government decided that the figure they pay is enough to support a family unit or single person and if you can't manage get a job, Margret Thathcher attitude still in use today. So why do we have FOOD BANKS THEN. What of those that cannot work because their doctor says no? Or the period of healing says 30 weeks and the government says 10 irrespective of whether the result is good or bad and lets have you in to get you back to work even if you have ongoing mental issues that prevent you.
If you want to stay on the side lines then don't complain when sending in Medical information about you and they use THEIR SYSTEM to assess whether you get benefits or not. I AM NOT WAITING.2 -
Andi66 said:It's terrible mental health got much worse with all this going on.
I have other Conditions as well which are bad enough.1 -
Meg24 said:Andi66 said:It's terrible mental health got much worse with all this going on.
I have other Conditions as well which are bad enough.
I said we..... Because its not about who is in Parliament, its about how we have asked the system of Assessment, benefit payments sickness benefits, etc, and what has actually changed? 2008, 2011, 2014 saw changes toi the benefits system and in 2008 when ATOS "handed back a £650 million contract" because they wanted to protect their employees from VERBAL ABUSE, ON A DAILY BASIS, what changed? We suddenly had Universay Credit, and look how that has turned out....
I feel sorry for not only you but all recent and past claimers of any benefit since the system is being run by people who unless they have had a disability or a loved one that has been affected in some way, DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM.
They are the ones that enforced it. I say enforced since they do what they were told.
MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, AND INSTEAD OF SPENDING MILLIONS IN COURT FEES TO PROTECT THE DECISION MAKERS IN tRIBUNALS, FORCE THEM NOT ONLY TO PAY BACK PAY, but to pay COMPENSATION to everyone affected by the decisions they make. EVERY ONE AFFECTED, including UNPAID CARERS, MINIMAL HOME CARE AND ALLOWING SIBLINGS TO LOOK AFTER MUM AND DAD who have mental issues, and the only way left it to have them sectioned. The house to be sold to pay for treatment that was on the NHS?0 -
Just read sunak has £651 million, and he.wants to cut our money, so we live on nothing.
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I just read in the Big Issue, government figures just released for disability fraud over the last year were PIP - 0%
DLA - 0.
Proves the new crackdown is just cruel and unnecessary
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Sorry, should read DLA 0.1%
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Yes, it is bad, my nerves are shredded, when I see anything come up.
The media making it worse about benefit fraud, and it seems people are lumping us in with them.
Benefits are hard to get, pip especially its not fair that we are being treated this way. We can't help our disabilities etc. It's all right for sunak having £156 million to live on.
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There's never been an issue with disability fraud as a big thing because it's so hard to claim, period.
Meanwhile the report about carer's allowance today shows that the DWP either is not connected up enough internally to spot when things are not right or they are not managing things properly.As an autistic person, even though I'm functioning, my productivity has massively dropped since all of this began. It reminds me of the year I fought PIP, and the trauma I still have relating to that experience.
What is sad is the general lack of interest/support/care from the rest of the population towards disability and disability rights/voices just generally. So long as the policies don't create general public outrage, we'll continue to be targeted. Even if most people don't believe we're scroungers, very few seem to think it's their problem or that they should care.
It gives me hope that some Labour MPs want to engage with disability organisations and employers about access. The access to jobs situation is ridiculous and especially for autistic people, where it's downright exclusionary. No, a little more time in interviews to process questions does not change the pre-interview panic/complete mind-blank in interview/inability to remember anything about your life the moment someone asks you a question. Most non-disabled people do not do job interviews on the back of two weeks fight or fight adrenaline.
When I interviewed for my current job, however, I ended up with the lowest hours, on the worst pay grade. I had to do three interviews (two weeks of complete adrenaline hell) just to get that. The reason was that I did not score enough interview 'points' for the better positions, despite having several years prior experience doing that exact job.I am sure there are many with physical disabilities who can relate with regards to access and opportunities, even if for different obstacles.
PIP is very individual, that's why it has the name it does. The government are suddenly claiming it is one size fits all when in fact they sold it to the public originally as a tailored, individualised benefit to promote independence. If they want us to be productive, they should target the workplace cultures and employment structures. They're the main reason disabled people who can work, are not in work.
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It rankles that so many claimants have taken their own lives, hundred and thousands of disabled and ill unfairly targetted and sanctioned by DWP staff and not a whisper of it in the mainstream press.
Then the carer scandal surfaces and they've got it ont the front page every day. Of course unpaid carers are brilliant, but it does make one feel like the press and the public don't mind if the people they care for get done over by the DWP, just not the carers, because they're the real deserving ones, they save the country billions, we just leach off of everyone so we don't count...
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My lad who only just got PIP works full time for one of the largest telecoms companies in the UK but has all the extra expenses of someone who has a missing sensory perception. You can guess the one I mean and it stops him driving.
Anyway, now he's apparently a waste of space liar he's told
Pretty sure he'll be giving up work no matter what happens soon, and not voting Conservative - so well played Rishi.
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Morning, I don't know how true this is and I didn't know until I went to reply on here now long this topic was. I am sorry, if this has been mentioned on here before but, when I put my P.C this morning I am sure it mentioned about someone is taking this all to the European Court of Human Rights on how they are treating us. I don't spend much time reading things on the news pages as I am trying to not do this now-a-days as I usually end up really upset. If the token thing happens it will not help me or the catalogue thing either as I cannot keep going out everywhere to get things as it is too much for me.
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