Pip & general election pledges???

Lostsoul13
Lostsoul13 Online Community Member Posts: 122 Connected

I’m a little disappointed that no party has made a pledge yet- I fear that they all back the tories regarding it..

Why haven’t they even discussed it yet? The election is a couple weeks away..

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  • Meg24
    Meg24 Online Community Member Posts: 369 Trailblazing

    I think informally Labour have said they will not make the WCA harsher or remove PIP in the way the Tories want to. What they have said is "all support for the disabled needs to be focussed on a return to work" HOWEVER. This is election speak and doesn't necessarily mean exactly what it first seems. They have not come out in support of people who cannot work for two reasons imo, firstly the Tories have done such a good job of demonising us in the press, that in Labour went full on against that brainwashing, the right wing papers like the Mail, Sun and Express would be ruthless, they would say they support 'scroungers and fraudsters' and their readers, a lot of whom are red wall voters who voted Tory in recent years, might be put off from swinging their vote to Labour. Then you've got the threat from the Tory party themselves, they would say much the same thing, but they would write in on leafleta and post in through every letterbox, they'd shout about it on their election speeches and on TV. It would reach every swing voter, not just those who read their papers.

    It is upsetting that we have been made out to be such villians that no-one dares stand up to speak for us, that's in part due to all the mud that successive Tory ministers have thrown at us, I still remember when IDS kick started it all by encouraging neighbours to notice who still had their curtains closed in the morning and who set up a dedicated phone line for neighbours to report neighbours for suspected benefit fraud.

    Keir Starmer has socialist roots, as much as he appears to be playing the game right now, he knows that left wing voters will not vote for the Tories, even if we are very worried. I have hope.

  • Jimm_Scope
    Jimm_Scope Posts: 5,703 Scope Online Community Specialist

    I think manifestos are all due out soon. So hopefully it'll give us some answers.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,385 Championing

    I'm worried sick too after budget speech I went down quick was bad for months if didn't have daughter and dogs god knows what I would have done

  • Lostsoul13
    Lostsoul13 Online Community Member Posts: 122 Connected

    I’ve just gotten a job- I start Monday because I can’t afford to be without pip with bills and living.

    I’m hoping the vouchers will cover the whole cost of utilities and food and other things for disability.. that’s the only way I’ll be able to afford - without the white paper we don’t know and it least 8 weeks away.. but I’m making changes in case right now- I just hope my schizophrenia will be ok.. I have lots of support going back to work last time I worked two years ago I got bad-


    so I’m hoping with more support around me I’ll do just fine or at least bear minimum!!

  • Meg24
    Meg24 Online Community Member Posts: 369 Trailblazing

    Labour have NOT already won. If too many people think that then the turnout will be too low and we could even face the horrific prospect of a Tory/Reform alliance. Don't forget that at least 25% of all voters always vote Conservative, that's why there are so many safe seats. In a lot of Tory MP areas, the majority was quite large in 2019, so it will require lots of voters to turn out to vote Labour (or Libdem depending on the tactical vote) in order to ensure the seat is lost. Most Labour MPs are in safe seats of their own, whenever they take a swing seat, the vote difference is usually quite small and a lot of left wing people might vote Green this year which will reduce it further.

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not anyone fall victim to complacency about this, there's a reason all the right wing polls funded my Tories are showing heavy Labour wins, it's because they want the Labour voters to stay at home because if that happens, they could easily still win this.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,385 Championing

    SO sick of it all we was bashed in the autum budget if you can work you will work! Sick note Britain so much more and now labour not saying anything I fear no hope what will we do i know I won't survive if forced to work cant take the wait

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 766 Championing

    to be fair the only 2 parties using the ‘if you can work, you will work’ line is only currently the tories and Labour Party (not even reform have brought up the line as of yet)


    the manifesto’s have yet to come out and I’m sure once they all have skilled forum members will go through them with a fine comb to find the bits concerning or of interest to those with disability

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 250 Empowering

    The big problem is that if people start thinking Labour have already won then lots of people wont bother voting. This will play into the Tories hands.

    I remember back in 1992 when people were saying Labour had won it, but then lost to John Major.