About the PM's (Sunak's) speech: Stop demonising us

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    Some will be entitled to Transitional Protection and some won't. For those that are entitled it erodes over time so if other elements increase, or you become entitled to other elements the TP decreases, until eventually it erodes completely. This means that your benefits are actually frozen.

  • Middleton
    Middleton Community Member Posts: 274 Empowering

    How are we supposed to deal with cash-payments towards higher costs of living due to disabilities?

    Fuel costs etc.

    The costs to be able to run the mobility vehicles we may have. Or do these go back to PIP?

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    It depends on circumstances when you migrate across. Some people are better off claiming UC so in this case there will be no entitlement to TP. When you claim UC they calculate the figures of the benefits you moved from, against entitlement to UC and if UC is less the TP makes up the difference. It's very complicated, even for me and my benefits knowledge is good.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    You won't lose out when you claim and as I advised some will be entitled to more. Citizens Advice have a help to claim phone number.

    There will also be support in place for those most in need when migrating from ESA. I'm sure you've heard about those 500 people that are being migrated across from now, this is what this is for so they can gather more information on the issues that some may have when claiming.

    if you're living in either Wolverhampton or East Suffolk then you could be one of those chosen for the trial. If you don't live in those areas then you won't be moving across just yet.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    When are the other areas that get esa are moving across is it still this year

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    Yes because they don't pay council tax either. Why can't they of kept it like it is.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    Council Tax reduction has never been part of UC. This still needs to be claimed from your local authority, as it is now. I advised you this on another thread earlier today.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    Yes, it's through local authority (council) same as it is now. It will be recalculated based on your UC entitlement. I can't give any further advice on that because all LAs have their own rules.

    Can I ask if your ESA includes the Severe disability Premium?

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    Thank you. Then your UC will include TP. I also see that you have a spare bedroom, are you aware that you maybe able to claim for an extra bedroom if you need regular overnight care. See link for more information. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/help-if-on-a-low-income/housing-benefit/how-an-extra-bedroom-affects-your-housing-benefit/check-if-youre-allowed-an-extra-bedroom-for-housing-benefit/ to claim this then speak to your local Authority.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    Oh thank you for explaining the council tax bit. I also get pip and severe disability payments. Sorry if I sound a bit dim on this

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    This isn't available in all Local authorities. I just had a look on mine and there's nothing available. What each one may offer will depend on what funding they received for this tax year.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    I'm like that, I get things from temu which.is cheaper. Mine is 2nd hand books from charity shop I get.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    It makes you very self conscious now what you get. I get cats food etc for my cats, but apart from food shopping for myself and daughter, I get things from charity or discount shops. I don't drink or smoke, last holiday was 10 years ago ,a few days with my late sister in London. I used to care for my late mum, and my brother came up for a few days so I could take my daughter to a concert she wanted to go to.

  • Cantilip
    Cantilip Community Member Posts: 615 Empowering

    Some people, with the finest support for their physical and mental health humanity can offer will never be able to work. Some people are retired. It should not surprise anyone to learn that the percentage of the disabled rises with age. There seems to be a fixation that all disabled people are of working age. 'For people who cannot work we guarantee security.' That';s something, but what does it mean to single wheelchair-bound woman of 75, who isn't me, but might be in 5 years' time. And while I'm on the subject, don't know that I care to be referred to as someone who 'cannot work'. as though ability to work was a defining criterion. I'm nearly ****, enjoying a well-earned retirement. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/disability/articles/disabilitybyagesexanddeprivationenglandandwales/census2021

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    What conditions do they say that not able to work. When it mentions chronic illness flexibility work conditions and older workers, seems that they want you to work with chronic conditions. Also I don't trust jobcentres that they may force you into something. I wish they would halt the transition to uc if they are going to simplify it

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    After watching the last debate on bbc1 ,I hope sunak doesn't get in again. A lady ask a question that she was disabled and the benefits, he basically kept on getting people into work, and goaed Kier Starmer who did not vote to cut it every chance he could. Odious little man.

  • PAnderson
    PAnderson Community Member Posts: 4 Connected

    I must have wasted 15 years of my life on useless work programmes designed to just make money for the people running them, and having to appeal benefit decisions. It feels as if I'm being punished more then helped.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    They don't care, they live in their make believe world, looking down on us the little people, and disabled people seem to be at the bottom of the pile where Sunak is concerned. They spend billions of tax payers money on rubbish like HS2, PPE contracts , Rwanda etc then they take it out us and the pittance we get and because our bodies aren't working ,we seem a easy target.

  • yellowmoon23
    yellowmoon23 Scope Member Posts: 6 Connected

    What you’ve both written is an accurate reflection of how you manipulate populations. In order to engage in the wholesale eradication of a group you must first demonise them. It starts with one extremist group. Typically there is some pushback, but eventually it gets some momentum, then it gets mainstream coverage. The affected group are increasingly less seen as individuals but as other, words like other, vermin, burden, are very popular to use to increase the rift. By this point mainstream politicians see an opportunity, they can ride the crest of this isolated group who are typically too disparate, too poor, and not organised enough to fight back. Roughly where we are now. It progresses, other parties adopt the same policy, it happened with student grants vs loans, at one time is was 100% for grants, now it’s 100% for loans, effectively making education unaffordable to many, and costing more to run than the old system, but it generates guaranteed profit and jobs for those at the top.

    Now it becomes a squabble over who can be the most cruel and vindictive. The country apes the attitudes of politicians driven by the media, who pushed this idea to politicians in the first place. Now you’ve created the other, it’s a short step now to determine the boundaries of who lives, who dies. The public accept it, as they’ll be sold on improving the bloodline, organ and fluid harvesting where possible, and savings on the government budget. We’ll be executed for profit. Nobody is going to step in to save us. I doubt wecan save ourselves. We can be monetised to make profits for billionaires.


    Think it can’t happen? In America jobs for their concentration camps for babies and children under 12, deemed by international observers as inhumane, unfit for human habitation, cruel, a crime against humanity, jobs were oversubscribed about 20 times over. They sell the more white looking ones, and others that fit a customers wish list. The US government argued in court they had “a right” to hold children and babies in these inhumane conditions. Before you damn Trump, the camps were built under Obama, who withdrew from the Rome Accords Stature on Human Rights citing that America didn’t need international oversight against crimes against humanity. They can’t be prosecuted for crimes against humanity by the International Criminal Court. I know, I wrote and tried to bring charges myself. They agree it’s inhumane, criminal, but America does not belong to the signatories, along with just 29 other countries, most of which are vile inhumane dictatorships, and America is better than that supposedly.


    An equivalent to the Aktion T4 programme is not only possible under current government plans it is looking increasingly likely. Unfortunately for most of us we’ll be easy to find, I just got back from the pain management clinic, my data is all over the NHS, Government departments, the Council, I’m registered disabled, registered partially sighted, registered socially isolated, registered vulnerable. I’m not hard to find, and I couldn’t make a run for it if I wanted.

    The worst of it will come when all of us with obvious issues have been removed, then they deem left handers, left footers, green eyes, uneven boobs, no ear lobes, needing glasses, coughing just once too often, skin colour, something in your DNA, they become the categories to determine life or death.

    i fully expect in my lifetime, what’s left of it, that involuntary euthanasia will become a thing. First they will ask for volunteers, in exchange for say debt forgiveness, name engraved on a wall of heroes, you will but put to death, your body harvested for anything useful, samples recorded for future research. But they’ll soon run out of volunteers and they’ll set certain criteria, these will get increasingly strict and narrow. But, bear in mind the end game, a handful of billionaires will get a tiny fraction wealthier at our expense, and we won’t be spoiling their view.

    It all starts by demonising the disabled as “other”, getting people to stop thinking of us as people, but purely as a burden, a burden crippling the average person, and that, in these difficult times for everyone,is ridiculously easy to achieve! It’s already working.

  • PAnderson
    PAnderson Community Member Posts: 4 Connected

    I know of charities who do it for their own benefits. They get lottery awards and council funding to pay themselves a wage, while doing as little as possible for the vulnerable people they work for.

    They also support government policies, than campaigning to change things for the better