Migration Esa to Uc confused about changes

savzi
savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected
in Universal Credit (UC)

Had migration letter-deadline Oct 16th

My circumstances are renting 3 bedroom house living with daughter who just finished college age 20 on 2nd Sept. Also am a carer for my adult son who lives elsewhere

IR ESA old style wrag, PIP, Housing benefit, Carers allowance, Child tax credits, Child benefit

I'm worried about

Q1 losing money because not being able to get payment for LCW and carers element at same time. Should I stop claiming carers allowance?

Q2 What about when daughter becomes classed as a non dependant, this may happen during the 1st assessment period for UC?

Q3 Losing money that I got under old rules for being in wrag

Q4 Having to attend the jobcentre as I am a carer. I have anxiety when attending jobcentre which affects my condition

Q5 Is there a "best time" for me to apply?

Any tips and hints that will help me regarding the application process wil be greatly appreciated.

Warm regards

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,179 Championing

    1/ In this case you would receive the carers element instead because that's the higher amount. You shouldn't stop either of them due to managed migration.

    When you fill out the form to claim UC you should report being a carer and your health condition. Then when you have access to a journal you should put a message on there to tell them that you're in the WRAG for ESA.

    2/ You will not receive any extra money for your daughter so the UC calculation will just be for you. There's no non dependant deductions for those than are under the age of 21 but regardless of that, if your PIP includes the daily living part then there will be no non dependant deductions anyway.

    3/ normally you won't be any worse off when migration across anyway but for you, your UC will not include the chid element so it will be different.

    4/ You can ask for a reasonable adjustment for a telephone appointment, instead of in person.

    5/ Does your ESA currently include the Severe disability Premium? if so does your daughter that live with you claim a qualifying disability benefit herself, such as PIP daily living or DLA mid/high rate care? or is she registered blind?

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected

    Thanks poppy

    esa does include sdp.daughter claims no benefits except what I currently recieve for her chtc and chb

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected

    Shall I wait until child benefit ends to claim? Or claim sooner? When will these end if I claim now?

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,179 Championing

    The problem you have if you wait until child tax credits ends is that you will no longer be entitled to SDP because your daughter will be a non dependent. This will then affect your Transitional Protection when you claim UC.


    If you claim UC before payments are due to end for her with Tax credits then they will end anyway once you submit a claim for UC.

    What date is your next Tax credits due to be paid?

    For the avoidance of doubt child benefit and Tax credits end the day before her 20th birthday.

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected

    2nd September x

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected

    Tax credits are paid weekly x

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected

    Her 20th birthday

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected

    @poppy123456 this sounds like I am going to recieve less money...am I to understand when I claim and when chb and chtc ends...I'll also lose sdp and wrag element? If I fill it in now. I'll still lose sdp as I'll have an adult living with me at some point during my 1st assement period? Worrying

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected

    Daughter said she's happy to move out if it helps the situation. Gosh x

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/901988#Comment_901988

    @poppy123456 my last ctc payment is 29th August she moves out on 30th august and she's 20 on 2nd September. I have nearly completed the uc form. Is there a best time to submit it? 🤔 thanks poppy sorry to be a pain

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,179 Championing

    Yes, you will be worse off due to your daughter finishing full time non advanced education. You would have been worse off anyway due to those benefits ending for her.

    If you submit the claim before the benefits end for her then your UC will include Transitional Protection for the SDP.

    Out of interest, where will she live if she moves out?

    If she isn't continuing with her education and is looking for work then she can claim UC in her own right.

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected

    @poppy123456 She plans to move in with her bf and his parents. If she moves out before I claim.. wont I still get the sdp tp? Thanks

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,179 Championing

    If she's definitely moving out soon then you can wait to claim UC. If there's a delay with her moving out you will need to report the changes to ESA and SDP will end, once benefits for her stop.

    Once she moves out you need to make sure you reclaim the SDP before you claim UC. Your UC should then include TP for the SDP.

  • savzi
    savzi Online Community Member Posts: 27 Connected
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/902858#Comment_902858

    Thanks for your help poppy. Update. Tax credits and child benefit now ended and daughter happy off with her boyfriend, she starts a new job in 3 weeks.

    Things seem a lot clearer now. Rang esa to tell them of the change and they filled a form in with me over the fone to check if I still qualify for sdp. They said I did. About to press submit on UC claim but scared as it seems like a new application and nowhere did it ask for the migration letter reference number. Worried they don't realise my wrag application was pre 2017..also they might force me into the jobcentre! Still convinced I'll get less money and worried about surviving the 5 weeks in-between.worrying

  • Kimmy87
    Kimmy87 Online Community Member Posts: 2,118 Championing

    As Poppy advised, once you submit the claim, add a journal note saying you are migrating from ESA WRAG and give the migration reference number.

    Also as she said your UC award will include Transitional Protection for the SDP so you shouldn't get less money.

    ESA will confirm your status with UC (this can take a few weeks), that should include your start date for the claim etc.

    Once you've submitted the UC claim, you will get a further 2 weeks payment of both ESA & Housing Benefit.

    You can also request an advance payment of UC, but this will need to be repaid from future payments.

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