Job coaches for mentally ill in hospital settings - BBC
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Another member of the assembly has had a look and this doesn't sound like a bad thing at all - the job coaching service is open to outpatients receiving talking therapies for instance. This makes some of the headlines seem a bit sensationalist!
Slam is one of the biggest and best known specialist mental health hospitals trust in the country so makes sense they would trial there. The staff would not allow anything harmful.
Like I have said before I think it's a good idea because it would generally get more people into work who would want to be in work.
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If Things Don't Change i can see the Suicide Rates going Up 😢
I Suffer from Depression, anxiety & Panic attacks. I Don't remember a time when i felt 100% Well. Fed up feeling like rubbish & tired 24/7.I been to that DARK PLACE. And with everything being mentally thrown at us at the moment, i feel myself slipping back there :(
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Can someone please point me to evidence that current support group won't be thrown off LCWRA? I was under the impression that that was a misunderstanding that was quickly corrected after it was misreported at the time. I'm pretty sure that they reworded it as "unless they have a change in circumstances or a reassessment" which as we know, happens to all of us eventually. Personally I haven't had a WCA since 2018, I've no doubt that when I'm migrated to UC I'll be in line for one, if it's after April, it will be under the new rules? Which as I'm under the substantial risk rules, would mean me being thrown into the LCW group, with all the meetings, work prep and sanctions that go with it. I won't be able to do that. I hope Ellen Clifford is successful, many of us really need her to be.
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Good question! You will be reassessed under the rules introduced by the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016.
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Reeves is the smooth, unflappable accountant. Half the Cabinet has worked in DWP we should remember (maybe a little exaggeration)
Kendall is a *desperate woman, yes! She practically wrote the Labour disability manifesto for General Election 2015 herself! With a bit of help from that nice man Stephen Timms. Both apologists for a dishonourable gentleman whose name I'd rather not mention.
*desperate not to be found out
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Someone posted this which I found interesting. Are we being gaslit into believing that the number of "sick" people has grown exponentially?
I quote below from the site.
I emphasize two figures which reveal in 2008/09 the working age percentage who were in receipt of all incapacity benefits was 6.8% and the latest figure for 2023/24 was 6.82%.
In short there is no dramatic increase at all and we are being lied to by government – with this lie being perpetuated and disseminated by lazy journalists.
An increase of 0.02% over 15 years is no rationale or justification for blaming ‘the sick.’
Today sees the Times on its front page and the Financial Times in an article declaring this dramatic increase that simply does not exist. Every other media outlet whether TV, radio, online or print based has stated repeatedly this same alleged ‘dramatic’ increase over the past few weeks on the tell a lie often enough and people believe it to be true basis and nobody could be arsed to check the facts!
What scrutiny do the electorate or journalists give to government if they allow any government to use wholly bogus premises for their assertions, intentions and pledges? Is it any wonder that the lazy electorate is constantly bemoaning there is no difference between Labour and the Tories and becoming disaffected?
Making those who are sick the scapegoat is offensive yet is only allowed because of sheer laziness of the electorate believing it and believing the incredibly lazy media and journalist!
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We aren't working on anything in particular at the moment but you need to become a member of Scope which is run by @Giovanni_Scope
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Isn't it great? When you finally win the lottery and actually get a mental health bed you can have a job coach come and talk about your delusions about becoming an astronaut:) They can't get enough qualified mental health professionals so this is their way of improving staffing levels. Ingenious!!
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Not sure it would work but it’s much more creative than anything Kendall’s come up with and sounds less hazardous to the nations mental health
and Honestly I’m not sure if employers would see disabled or ex prisoners as less desirable to hire (guess it would depend on the crime)
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In my opinion, the decision to save money on the disabled and pensioners in particular was made a long time ago; the old plan is simply being carried out and it doesn’t matter which clowns pretend to fight each other for seats in parliament.
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I do think both groups of people need the stigma around hiring them reduced. I've been reading statistics recently regarding how much of the prison population is estimated to be neurodivergent in some way. One review estimated that up to potentially half of the prison population could be neurodivergent in some way. Whether Autism, ADHD, dyslexia, dyscalculia, some form of learning difficulty.
I do think this says something about how a lot of these people, if given proper support, may never have fallen into the prison system at all.
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I didn't mean it in that way, I apologise if that is how my words got it across.
I myself am someone who went undiagnosed and unsupported through until 29. I didn't end up in the criminal justice system. I did end up doing far less well academically, professionally, financially and mentally than I would have done with diagnosis and support.
My ADHD actually put me in very poor financial situations, if I was a different person I can see how being in such dire situation can lead to crime. Being someone who is neurodivergent and unsupported/nonadjusted in a neurotypical world can often lead to being in a worse environment such as poverty. Not because of my neurodiversity itself, but because I was missed by the support system that is supposed to be in place. I was made to fit into a neurotypical mold, and the results of that weren't good.
Think I'm rambling a little. I was not trying to say that an unsupported neurodivergent person is likely to end up in prison, but many of the neurodivergent people in prison are there because they were undiagnosed or unsupported.
The statistics I found in a gov.uk statement which linked this 2021 review as evidence
Neurodiversity in the criminal justice system: A review of evidence (justiceinspectorates.gov.uk)
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I'd just like to comment after reading (most of) the link @Jimm_Scope provided. First under the 'umbrella' of neurodivergence, which was acknowledged as a neurodevelopmental order, were then clumped in prisoners (& others in the criminal justice system) who had an aquired or traumatic brain injury.
I hope I don't cause any offence to members who are on the autistic spectrum, but would you think an aquired or traumatic brain injury, which can of course come with it's own problems, is anything to do with what you consider being 'neurodivergent,' as they sound completely different to me?
I'd argue that the 'statistics' in this report are a mishmash of 'estimates' of this & that, & no apparent consistency in assessing a prisoner's mental health always accurately, if at all, was shown.
Looking at both sides of things, & this is only about one (category D/lowest security) prison, my son's wife has just told me that about half their prisoners do indeed need additional support for their mental health. They do get some info about this, but it doesn't contain a medical opinion & doesn't differentiate between neurodiversity or any other problems.
I do of course agree with the recommendations in this report, but I'd say otherwise there was often a paucity of 'evidence' throughout it.
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Sorry, that should of course read acquired in my comment above.
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I want to thank you for clarifying what was in that report. I unfortunately did not have the time to review the full report. I had initially read this document from the previous government about addressing the concern. I did notice it had mentioned "could be considered neurodiverse" and mentioned acquired injuries but I incorrectly assumed that would be a relatively small contingent.
I never intended to say that people who are neurodiverse are more inclined to illegal activity. I do not think that at all about myself or other neurodiverse people. More that I think neurodiverse people who are not given support, adaptations or even given basic understanding from a neurotypical society can find themselves in worsened environmental circumstances which we agree can push anyone to crime just to survive.
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Jimm, I saw a very recent report into prisoners themselves (nothing to do with the rest of us) and an astonishing two-thirds are estimated to be undiagnosed. This is from memory - I tend to scan and I'm too tired to look it up. Just making a point that it's a significant number.
Those of us on the outside with better resources and skills cannot easily get an assessment for diagnosis so what chance do they have of getting one?
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She doesnt understand psychiatric illness at all. The meds people have to take are so strong they completely change how your body and metabolism etc works. What does she think mental illness is? To help treat my psychiatric illness i have to take really heavy duty meds that are extremely sedative. If i sit down for 10minutes or more i start to fall asleep. I gained 4 and a half stone in 2 months with no increase in appetite just eating normal food. Without meds my life was total torment i could not sleep literally at all. If I hadnt taken the meds i have to take i dont think I'd be here today. So this woman thinks she can stroll into mental health units and help people complete CVs? Little does she know or care. They are trying to force people to work when they arent capable of it.
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This to a certain extent happened to me. When I came out of psych unit into the hands of mental health worker, she sent me on a course for self confidence. It was awful I was still in psychosis and just thought everyone was spying on me and were going to tell DWP I was on a course. The same mental health nurse told me at some point a job would be good. So not as severe as them going into the unit but this all happened within a month of coming out of one. This was five years ago
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I have been very lucky to be able to steer clear of mainstream services, I live in an area with lots of 'alternative lifestyle' people, lots of ex hippies, large gay community etc. This has meant a huge demand for alternative therapies and also different approaches to mental healthcare. I was immensely lucky to get a spot on one of the only open ended art psychotherapy services in the NHS and they have been supporting me for over 20 years. I literally could not have survived without them, I can't say what state my MH would have been in without them, or whether I'd have been in and out of hospital, but they're focus has always been on my mental health and needs in relation to maintaining stability. For example they were instrumental in getting me a social housing let so I could have a stable and safe roof over my head. If at any point they had started being insistent on my thinking about employment I would have left because it would have been just another existential threat.
I have never needed any other services, never needed to get a diagnosis (I know there are one or two I fit the criteria for but they terrify me) and I live an independent life as much as I am able. I can't help feeling that if this approach was taken across the country, so much money could ve saved and more importantly people suffering MH could feel genuinely cared for. I will be forever grateful.
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